Everyfan
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40 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
You didn't fix it for me, you just inserted your own opinion
I never even attempted to audition for BD, I'm not in to the Park and Bark Jazz and Yoga stuff.
So why all the hate? I get along with most SCV alums I know in person. Most of them don't just whine about what the Blue Devils are doing. They just enjoy what SCV is doing. You just can't seem to enjoy it unless you ##### about "park an play" BD or some other complaint.
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6 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
A comparison is not tearing the blue devils show down, it's showing a difference in shows. You can prove me wrong by showing me how much faster the Devils show is... Of course, you won't be able to.
My point still stands.
Except your "comparison" wasn't even of SCV and BD. There IS a trumpet cam video of a BD soloist in here. A comparison would be if you post a trumpet cam vid of one of the "twelve" at SCV this year.
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1 minute ago, Treefidy said:
Excuse me, I meant shouldn't affect you. Just noticed that.
I'm not tearing down the performance either. The BD show is a great, TOP 3 show, no doubt. It just doesn't belong in front of the monster that SCV is performing VERY well.
Go back and review your first post in this thread. Not tearing down.
You are welcome to your opinion, as is everyone else here.
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51 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
I wouldn't change the system period. So my complaining should affect you. However, this is a forum for discussion of fans and alumni of the sport, which I am. Hence why I'm discussing this in this thread. Very BD fan like of you to make that comment though...
What does that even mean? Sorry if I get a little sick of those that need to try to tear down the performance of others to argue why their favorite should be winning.
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12 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
My problem isn't who knows the system better. It's a SUBJECTIVE system, and that's a major problem.
Again, you won't change he system by complaining here.
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28 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
Smart design in relevance to the sheets and BD fans. Not nearly as difficult or effective as credit being given.
If you don't like it, go whine to your favorite corps director to lobby for changes to the system. If your arguement is that BD wins because they know the system, and SCV loses because they don't, who is really the problem here?
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8 minutes ago, pudding said:
It's pretty obvious to tell when the full ensemble is not playing, because their horns are down. I watched the show several times with the specific intent of timing the brass, I'm quite intimately familiar with it now.
I'm not a brass player, I'm a percussionist. That said, I'm familiar with brass pedagogy from my music ed degree and my experience teaching low-level marching ensembles. Both traditional marching and body movement have their physical demands: traditional marching is more demanding in terms of lower core activation and separation of upper and lower body, while body movement can be more disjointed and difficult in terms of specific movements causing jerking in the upper body or face. They are difficult in different ways, much like breaststroke and backstroke are difficult in different ways but are both called swimming.
That is probably one of the better explanations I have heard. Thanks.
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4 minutes ago, Mamabear77 said:
Can I find that show on YouTube? That is awesome! I love how the alumni are still so involved.. So supportive of the corps..seeing it at rehearsals and lots is just the best thing!
There has been a concerted effort in the last few years to really grab the alumni. There has always been a core group, but people like Chris Gomez have been active about attracting the alumni to get involved again. Memorial Day was once the end of a long camp weekend. Now it is an event where many come to watch. Family Day was a show for a few hours. Now alumni come and spend all day watching rehearsals and horn blocks. LA shows are a party of their own. They always have been, but they are getting bigger each year (I hope to make it down next year).
Social media has helped, and there are some selfish reasons (like more willing donors), but the real benefit has been an expanded and more vocal fan base...getting bigger every day.
I almost forgot to mention...no only is the staff great with fans and alumni, but the corps members are as well. Few things are better for us old timers than being able to "talk shop" with these "kids."
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1 hour ago, Mamabear77 said:
I could not agree with you more DrumManTx!! I have not seen the show in person since Riverside, so I am getting anxious to get to Indy! Watching on FloMarching just does not do this show justice! Thank you DrumManTx!! ☺️
Yes. They need a "drum cam" feed or "guard cam" feed etc. for the parents out there!
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15 hours ago, c mor said:
I need to thank Scott, and battery members for the hospitality they extended to students from the high school line I help.
We attended the rehearsal block before SE Regional on Saturday. Scott and gang were very gracious and my guys were blown away at seeing drum corps live and up close for the first time.
The Blue Devils have always been welcoming to alumni and fans, but it seems to be even greater as of late, especially with alumni. It makes visiting rehearsals and shows much more fun.
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I still don't see point in trying to tear down the achievements of others. Both of these corps are fantastic this year. After scores are announced, both will merge together to congratulate each other for a wonderful year of competition. Too bad some of the fans can't do the same, instead of always looking for an excuse why their team should win.
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7 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
Oh, we had to win Visual for me to comment on the issue...
I figured being top 3 less than 30 years ago might be more relevant to the conversation. Silly me...
You're the one who got snippy. "Try marching Pathways...blah, blah, blah."
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Just now, Treefidy said:
03, 04 Vanguard. You should attempt to march Pathways while playing your horn...
Cool. Which of those years did you win visual?
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1 minute ago, Kamarag said:
Guy who posts anonymously demands credentials from another guy who posts anonymously.
Logical fallacy much?
Personally, I removed the ID from my sig since it usually just created animosity from some. Apparently, I managed to create animosity with Treefidy anyway.
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1 minute ago, Treefidy said:
Have you? When and where?
Blue devils in the 80's. Some were just basic coordinated, timed horn movements during park and blow. Others included the basic body movements added in 1988. These are far more simplistic than today, but required more attention because, as I said beforehand, it was not a natural movement for us. Practice started in early camps doing warmups and aerobics with the guard. None of this was anything like what is done now, but back then the caption WAS focused on marching and credit was not given as much for a variety of movements. I give a TON of credit to Todd Ryan for what he is able to do with this corps.
how about you?
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16 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
As a Hornline member, your hip movements don't have to look like that of a dancer, they just need to be unison and look fluid...
Actually, if you want the top scores, they do. Do you have any idea how much time the Blue Devils put into movement other than straight marching. Go and watch a show warmup some time. Todd Ryan is a genius.
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4 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
I'm not being condescending. I just find it funny you are commenting on something you've never actually done...
Think about that for a second.
Okay. I'm commenting on it, and I HAVE done it. I second everything Cappy said. Now will you bother?
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3 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
I've definitely been exposed to other stuff. Marching and playing at anything over 6 to 5, or 8 to 5's at high tempos while props are moving around you and playing a DCI top 12 hornbook, is extremely difficult. Lunges, squats, plies, and swaying of any sort, are EXTREMELY simple to do while playing, no matter WHAT you are playing.
Except that marching is what we were all trained to do for months and years before making a top corps. Many of the other movements (especially in unison or a coordinated cascade timing) are much more unnatural to brass players.
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Just now, Everyfan said:
So, basically, you ignore a HUGE component of "visual performance" in your review.
Once again, it is visual, not marching. Marching your ### of for 12 minutes still only shows one skill. They are being evaluated on a variety of skills (both when playing or not).
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3 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
I did not count fluid body movements for either as marching and playing, as it is not more difficult to do fluid body movements while playing. It's essentially exactly the same as standing in place.
The parts where either corps would move forward/backwards from a dot to another dot were counted. (ie: when BD is in the Diamond shaped set in the opener and moves the diamond in a ripple forward and to their right) The body movements/squats/etc each corps does during their ballad, were not counted.
So, basically, you ignore a HUGE component of "visual performance" in your review.
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4 minutes ago, Treefidy said:
Actually from watching the shows 3 times in a row each, and calculating this, what I learned is BD tends to run their most difficult drill while not playing, and their most difficult music while not marching.
SCV mixes it up. Most of their haults tend to be for effect (ie: a large slower portion of playing, or a final chord, etc) with only about a third of the halts happening during harder runs.
But, you know, you seem to want to stick to facts, not opinion. If we take your numbers as facts:
BD standing in place and playing: 2 minutes 51 seconds
SCV standing in place and playing: 3 minutes 12 seconds
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Just now, Treefidy said:
As I said above, parts where ANY soloist is playing and the ensemble is not, is not counted toward marching and playing. Just as though any time the small group is the only group playing for SCV is not counted. The trumpet feature, when moving is counted as playing and moving. When they stop (since the rest of the brass is marching and not playing) it's counted as marching and not playing.
I ran each show 3 times in a row (bd first then scv second) and used a stop watch for each category.
First run: Marching without playing
Second run: Playing without Marching
Third run: Playing while MarchingWhen marching while playing, if they stopped marching but kept playing, the timer was switched off. When playing without marching, if they started moving again while still playing, the timer was switched off. If they were in small groups (like the Bubblebee portion of the BD show) if the group that was playing was not moving, the timer was switched off. Etc.
And just one more time...the caption is visual, not marching. How did you count coordinated body movement while playing? Personally, I think walking (marching) and playing is often easier than dancing or whatever the hell they are doing at times.
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1 hour ago, Treefidy said:
Also, for numbers purposes and later debate...
BD Show Length: 11 minutes, 58 seconds
BD Marching without playing: 6 minutes, 22 seconds (53.2%)
BD Standing in place playing: 2 minutes, 51 seconds (23.82%)
BD Marching and playing: 2 minutes, 45 seconds (22.98%)
SCV Show Length: 12 minutes, 9 seconds
SCV Marching without playing: 5 minutes, 7 seconds (42.11%)
SCV Standing in place playing: 3 minutes, 12 seconds (26.34%)
SCV Marching and playing: 3 minutes, 50 seconds (31.55%)So, you're saying SCV parks and blows more than BD. Got it.
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Just now, MikeBD said:
Congrats man. I love all the shows but I must say Cavies are right behind BD for me. I love their show.
Love Cavies too. Except for the vocal sat the end. My Way is such a recognizable tune, no words needed.
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SCV and BD in top 2...really?!!
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I (among others) have kept trying to explain that the caption is visual, not marching. He just doesn't get it. The Blue Devils have some great drill moves. They also have a ton of other movement. They are getting rewarded for performing all of it at an extremely high level.