ContraFart
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4 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
Ah. Well hey no one wiped out and got a 10 in Dayton last night
Dont get me started on last nights visual scores. Rhythm X got screwed
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On 4/7/2024 at 9:47 AM, cixelsyd said:
I see no record of 2002 Cavaliers competing in Buffalo.
It was 99
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On 4/7/2024 at 2:44 PM, Jeff Ream said:
that was the season opener in 01 at the AAA baseball stadium, not finals
No it was a tour show the day after Canada Day in 1999 at the Buffalo Bisons field. I got mixed up
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5 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
See Cavies 02
I saw someone from that corp fall in Buffalo because we were in a baseball stadium and they still had the mound up
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18 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
As I said in SoA thread- many if not most youth sports leagues have minimum & age requirements. A 16 yr old isn’t allowed to be in a T-ball league
Thats a bad analogy as age brackets in youth sports are for size and skill differences. A 16 year old wouldn't play tee ball because tee ball is for 3-6 year olds and uses equipment that is way too small for a 16 year old. Those size and skill differences do not exist as much in drum corps.
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Well as long as a visual judge doesn't give a max score after someone falls down, I'm happy.
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19 hours ago, kdaddy said:
I hate to see them go, but I'm glad they were here. A few favorites...
1993, In the Spring - My first year to watch DCI on PBS, and still my favorite Cadets brass arrangements.
2000, We are the Future - They slowed it down and still won.
1997, Celebration - The best of their brass band era.
1995, An American Quintet - Early props.
1992, To Tame the Perilous Skies - Cadets and Holsinger.
Very 1990s heavy. I really liked 2022 and 2023, and I thought they were on a great path, but nothing in the last couple decades holds up to the 90s in my mind.
1993 is when I also first discovered DCI on PBS. Add 2011 and your list pretty much matches mine.
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2 hours ago, Chief Guns said:
I do believe BD fatigue is a factor. We have had people on this forum admit it. People in general don't like dynasties........unless it's the corps/team/athlete you root for.
However BD earned those championships. Just like PR, Cadets, Crown, Bloo and SCV earned their titles over the last 15 years.
We will have to agree to disagree on certain years (15, 19, 22 and even though I get trolled for it 09) I have no issue with 10, 12, 14 and 17 because I agree with the consensus that they were the best in those years, even if I did not like those all of those shows (I actually really liked 10 and think its one of the most interesting and innovative concepts ever put on a football field)
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
it is, just like Patriots fatigue, Yankees fatigue, Alabama fatigue, Duke fatigue...no wait. Duke is just evil LOL
I like those who recognize evil when the see it lol.
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21 minutes ago, Chief Guns said:
So if another corps (not named Blue Devils) won all the "toss ups"........you would have a serious issue with that respective corps as well correct?
probably. I think there was a general Cadets fatigue in the 80s and early 90s, Cavies fatigue in the early ots and now BD fatigue.
BD has won 10 out of the last 15 championships, how can it not be fatigue?
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So BD fatigue is not a thing? Jeff is right that you can call 15 and 19 toss ups (I would put 22 in there too) but when one corps wins ALL the toss ups, people get tired of it.
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On 3/30/2024 at 12:48 PM, jwillis35 said:
One thing to take note of is the popularity of the show. DCI fans tend to go with their heart. In recent years (2014, 15, 17, 19, 22, 23 - their last 6 titles) Blue Devils have generally been more positively received...even with their many DCI championships. So it isn't always the fatigue factor.
If the show is popular and entertaining and still performed to that unmistakeable level of BD polish you will often here people say things like "boy I'd like corps X to have a shot this year but BD is really good and I love the show." I think that describes Blue Devils over the past 7 or 8 competitive seasons.
The dislike for BD from 2008 - 2013 had more to do with the shows being unconvential, contemporary, risky, and certainly not as popular with the audience (except for 2011 from a musical standpoint). Even when people used the BD fatigue excuse (and maybe some of that was true) I always felt it had more to do with the shows.
I give BD credit. From 2008 to 2013 they pulled off some extremely difficult and risky concepts. With the exception of 2011 the rest of those shows felt like works for a museum where professors sit around smoking their pipes and cigars discussing the intracacies of music theory and visual art. This is especially true with 2008, 2010, and 2012-2013. I liked them but to varying degrees. I knew most DCI fans would find them odd...hence the golf claps they received over the summer.
So was it really fatigue? DId people want other corps to win because BD wins a lot? As you said that is always going to be the case to some extent because we love to see Dynasties fall. Whether it's the Celtics, Lakers, Patriots, Yankees, etc. Fans do like variety. But I think 2008-2013 simply had a lot of people not connecting with the shows.
Sure more people connected with recent shows, but I think their last 4 or 5 titles should have gone to someone else. 15 should have 100% gone to crown, 19, 22 and maybe 23 should have gone to the Bluecoats. There is major BD fatigue and that is because again and again shows that more people like are losing to BD.
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1 hour ago, mingusmonk said:
The player that Bobby Knight threw the chair at was Steve Reid, who went to Purdue. And graduated from Purdue. Although he did briefly attend Kansas State. My father was at this game.
The player that Bobby Knight choked was Neil Reed. He was the one that also attended Southern Miss.
The many points of abuse and bullying by Coach Knight can be confusing.
I knew he was abused somehow.
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Neil Reid. The player that Bobby Knight threw the chair at, transferred to the University of Southern Mississippi, where I went to college. We were actually pretty good, lost in the finals of the CUSA tournament. (I cant remember if it was to Cincinnati or Marquette with Dwayne Wade, all of my college year memories are mixing together)
Just thought I would share my highly tertiary connection to Bobby Knight.
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On 10/27/2023 at 1:51 PM, Jeff Ream said:
or just you
That would make me feel special
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42 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
Presenting their 2024 production Falling into perfection, drum corps international is proud to present......
BD would do that to troll the activity 😛
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1 hour ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
My comment was in reply to a post where author was discussing running a nonprofit dance group and obtaining local support.
I would think that obtaining local support is a lot easier with a local presence. But that ship has sailed, esp for World Class Corps.
I suppose that running local bingo (like BD & SCV, perhaps others) at least keeps the name out there.
Florida has these "arcades" that are places with bingo gambling machines. I wonder if they would work for drum corps. They seem to be everywhere
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10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
but only if someone falls and they get a 10
Then I will complain
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BD is going to win, Im going to hate the show and I am going to drink.... a lot..... to mask the pain.
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4 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
I take it that your performers and support staff all lived in the local community, which helps maintain the visibility of the organization. You can be in line at grocery store w/ the star dancer, etc. The problem Drum Corps has is that few, if any, members are local. How many 2023 Troopers live within 100 miles of Casper? How many Bluecoats are from Canton? Do the Rennicks live in Santa Clara? Hard to build local support when the only thing local is a small office & a parking lot for the semis.
Why is there a need for Drum Corps to be local? Except for a goodbye performance and maybe a home show, the main bulk of what a DCI corps does is going to be away from the local town anyways. Parades are not what they used to be (maybe I am being Florida centric on that because nobody wants to sit in this heat) and unless you are really pushing for an off season program, there really is not that much visibility of the performing organization. I work with local community theatres and symphonic bands and orchestras. Its hard to get local visibility even when we perform 10 concerts a year, or 6 plays a year with 10 performances each.
I just think society has changed so much to rely on local exposure. I remember when I was a senior in high school and drum major of the high school band, I could not leave the house without running into someone I know. Living in the same town 25 years later. I know next to nobody. The community connection is no longer there.
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One word to fix all revenue problems:
SWIFTIES!!!!!
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1 hour ago, GUARDLING said:
It actually can be quite satisfying taking the 50 grand knowing quietly they contributed to something possibly against their own political or social values😁
I am very satisfied every time I cash my check from a church gig. Semi pro musicians cant live without the church regardless of their religious affiliation.
If an organization like Chic fil A is going to give large amounts of money to a corps, its on them to make sure it fits their corporate social responsibility. DCI is very inclusive and LGBT friendly, but to my knowledge they do not have any outward programs or DEI initiatives that would scare away people who use the "woke" trope to polarize people.
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On 10/20/2023 at 6:21 PM, Mello Dude said:
No, not entirely, but the quest for ever more crap to compete is not driving costs down. Scaling back is nothing new other than common sense is a superpower anymore. There is NO reason that corps should be required to have another semi truck of stuff to be viable to win or compete. People keep quoting that SOA paper but it doesn't say what you think is says. Props=fuel+truck+driver+time. People that can use a few brain cells can see this.
Tell me in the rule book where another semi truck is required? Did Madison or Crossmen need an extra truck last season? I dont think so. If that extra truck is what is preventing a corps from going on tour, do you not think that the cost is assessed? Corps budgets are not made by designers.
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On 10/17/2023 at 3:32 PM, Jeff Ream said:
DCI regulates what dates shows happen. they can regulate when spring training can happen.
can they really? Outside of safety concerns, I am not sure DCI can regulate rehearsal times. From what I see DCI rules are about fielding and performance limitations, not so much rehearsal limitations. I could always be wrong though.
A history of DCI judging and scoring, and the movement away from music emphasis
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I know for a fact it was 1999 that was the year I marched Crossmen and we watched Cavies probably from the sidelines. The only thing is that it might not have been Buffalo. I just know one field left a pitching mound on and Cavies contra players fell.
I also remember the world’s worst field in MS and some Cavies may have fell there too.
I also never said anything about their score just that I remember a pitching mound causing Cavies contra players to fall