LowBrassman
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King 1151
YBB202MWC
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?
Just for clarification the King 1151 WAS NOT copied from the Yamaha 202. The design for the King was done from scratch. The idea was to create a Bb version of the lengendary King K-90 with some modifications. So the designers took an existing K-90 and started there. If I can find the photos of the prototype and the K-90 sitting side by side I will post them. There are a number of differences between the two horns. The King has a bigger bore, bigger bell, and ability to see through the horn to the left while playing. While the later seems like an easy thing to design, it's not. The tubing wrap went through numerous versions until they got it right.
Anyway the Yanaha 202 is a good instrument with a good design and I aprreciate the quality of the product. But the King 1151 was born out of the necessity to replace the 1141. Now the 1141 is another story. Lets just say that friends should not let friends play on an 1141... for numerous reasons. :)
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2007 Best Visual design ....... SCV.
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To answer your question posed in the title of this thread, 2 words....... Human Nature or better yet 1 word... Perspective. It is easier for humans to find fault then it is to find what's right. Most people have no problem telling you what's wrong and being able to communicate it quite easily. Unfortunately most people tend to struggle when it comes to articulating what is right with something. An example could be made comparing the old tick system ( error ) approach of evaluation to the current approach of build up ( achievement ). It's really about how you as person percieve things. If you consistently look for the negative, ( the error ) then that is what you will get. But if you look for the good in things, (the what's right with this) you will be amazed at what you find. If you don't believe me try it out in your everyday life. Switch your perception and only look for the what's right with this (achievement) and see what happens. You might be pleasantly surprised. :)
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77 Baritone Shirt
78 Baritone shirt
FANTASTIC.... I had forgotten about 1977 section shirt....CLASSIC
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My own take on Malaguena is that 78's version was done at about 170 bpm so Perry really couldnt give it all it deserved. Dave was a completely different type of player and I still prefer his rendition to all others.
The thing about both Perry and Dave is that they were both Drum Corps musicians having been taught brass playing in Madison junior Scouts. (As were many guys back then) Ive always believed that musicians who learn in non traditional ways are free of the strictures of traditional playing and are more likely to be unique. Ive always been a good section player but in a way shackled by classical influences.
Dave Ramthun 1980 Malaguena
I couldn't agree with you more. I too have often felt that the activity in the "old days" trained some really great players. That is not to say that the training isn't great these days it's just different. These individuals were just great instinctive players who played with great heart. As a classically trained musician I have often times envied their very special gift.
MYNWA
DC
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Sorry guys....Nothing personal.....But!
I was their in '78 performing Malaguena off the line (to this day, many think it was our ballsiest rendition). I aged up too as we called it, the Senior Scouts along with and marched with Dave Ramthun '75-'81. He was also my closest Bro and bus seat partner on bus #2 (drum bus) for most of those years. David played by ear and was an extraordinary soloist!!! I've also watched '88 adnausium and the bari. solo is sweet, BUT.........Perry Smith was cut from an entirely different cloth! To appreciate what I'm saying you really had to have marched with Perry, one of the quietest most humble guys I've ever met. The guy was a natural. I believe that he possessed unmatched to this day one of the richest, velvety tones one will ever encounter. The emotion and pictures that he painted with his sound was truly palpable. Wow, he could fill that horn and the crowds would swoon. The sad thing though is that his talent was never fully realized since he decided to leave the activity early and quietly went off into the sunset. Man, what could have been!............I'm very sorry David and Clay! But for me, I truly felt that I was in the presence of greatness regarding Perry Smith. And to Steve Beard, (Kingsmen baritone soloist, and good friend) this is meant as no slight to you either!
Sincerely,
Jerry H.
Jerry,
I hear you brother. All three of these guys were great players. Perry is the person to this day that I credit for turning me in to a T.O.P. fan. Great velvety tone and warmth of sound. As for Dave, well I lived with Dave and his family in 1979 and he was in my wedding party. Just a great player and all around great guy. Clay another great guy that fortunately I have had the privilage of teaching with in the past. The secret to Madisons great hornlines of the past has always been its baritone section. Sure everyone thinks of the screaming soprano's but it was the baritone section that "shattered the concrete".
MYNWA
Dave C.
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Lol - I actually took the original picture from this guy dressed as a canadian Mounty
and simply photoshopped the Madison uniform onto him. I will try to find some
better source material as you suggested. :)
The art work is great. I vote all green and heck how about a black and silver sash like back in 1975.
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Is this the Joe Allison look a like contest?
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Doesn't anyone at least have any rumors as to the charts? :)
Area 51 :sshh:
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which has a trumpet solo to start it?
Elsa's
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Sparticus, Canon, New World, Elsa's
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Cooksey, assuming it is the same one, worked with the Contras at Regiment in 03, and I think again in 04.
I loved working with the Regiment in 02, 03, 05, 06. In 04 I went back to the "darkside" to see if the fire was still there to judge anymore, it wasn't. So it was back to teaching in 05. While the tuba's ( Contra's ) were my boys and girl(s), I took great pleasure in working with all of the low brass section. Heck I even got to traumatize the mello's every so often. If my memory is correct you aged out in 03. If so I'm sure you can remember one of those "special" moments. ( Remember.... I know where you live! ) :o
aka "The Pitbull"
DC
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There's only one Dave Cooksey!....
Any others are just weak imposters!
CT
The world can only handle one at a time.
DC
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It was talked about once before here...something about them losing by .1 due to...something? I dunno, but I remember it was significant. I can definitely see how Santa Clara won, I mean that show is just...wow. But then again, Phantom Regiment was a monster. Any show that has that Grieg piece (DAHHHHHHHHHHHHH...dah dah dahhhhhhhhh) is OK in my book.
If my memory serves me correctly the .1 was due to a penalty for a dropped rifle.
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I would say the Colts should be extatic with Scouts new design team!
Troll Alert :feednotroll:
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I hope your faith in the remaining Board members that they would't make the same mistake twice is justified. I guess we'll all see shortly.
Mr. Boo,
Please stick to your Cavalier alumni obligations and leave matters concerning the internal workings of the Madison Scouts to those entrusted with that responsibility. You do not have all of facts and your continued communtary does nothing more than "stir the pot".
Signed a Madison Alumni 79-82
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The following was posted this morning in another thread by Mike Boo:
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I received an e-mail from Scott Boerma just now. He requested that I pass along the following information. The following is extracted from his request and I forward it for informational purposes only.:
<< As of last evening, I have officially resigned as the Brass Arranger and Brass Co-Caption Head as has Mark Waymire as the Brass Co-Caption Head. Most of our brass staff members resigned last night as well. I have been with the Madison Scouts for 23 years (18 as the arranger), so it is with heavy heart that I did this.
The caption heads for all other captions have also resigned, as well as a significant number of instructors and administrative staff.
My purpose for this letter to you is simply that of information. Please feel free to share this information with anyone you know, be it online or through word of mouth.>>
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I find it interesting the manner in which Mr. Boerma decided to notify the world of his decision. Perhaps his announcement should have been communicated through official Scout channels.
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You weren't there to hear Star's 1990-1993 lines live, so that's not your fault, but...
I think those lines were far, far superior to what the Cavaliers are producing right now, even though they had worse bugles. Anyone who was there at the time...who was the mellophone instructor? Those lines were bad-###!
Barry Hudson...... now teaching Crown along with some of his former students and staff from Star.
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I realize that I will certainly be ripped and ridiculed for expressing my opinion, and that's fine. These days, opinions must fit within the guidelines of certain individuals that frequent this forum to be given consideration. Last evening, by some mis-alignment of the planets, the Phantom Regiment came within 1 point of the Cavaliers? Quite honestly the creativity, innovation and visual eye candy the Cavaliers offer is on a different level to Phantoms tired, re-hashed and boring Fuast presentation. For god sakes there were guard members in Phantom literally tripping over their flags last evening, not to mention equipment drops at key moments. I will say their hornline can play loud, but I heard several nasty, crass sounds coming from them last night. As far as a percussion section goes, I seem to remember hearing one a few times. They are supposed to have this great persussion section, if so, why don't they use them? Percussion has a secondary role in their 2006 presentaion, makes you wonder at the scores they get. 2006 Phantom just flat out lacks creativity, innovation and entertainment value for this long time drum corps fan, and is quite frankly like watching paint dry. Might have been a good show 10 years ago though. If by some bizarre occurance Phantom wins this year, I for one will be left scratching my head. Oh well, flame away, ready set go!
Thank you for your opinion. :) Now push the call light and tell the nurse your ready for your medication.
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Maybe you can get with Mr. Jenkins and straighten him out. He seems to be under the impression that he is supposed to give the corps that he thinks performs the best the higher score.
You are correct, however the issue still is one of numbers management. The process of Ranking and Rating performing units is a difficult task. Attention must be payed to the number of tenths placed between units in a contest so that one judge does not negate the entire panels evaluation. This is called numbers management. George Oliviaro developed a white paper years ago concerning the value of a tenth. It is still used today as a foundation of the adjudiation process. It takes time for new judges to develop the skill to do this thing called "Judging" . Mr. Jenkins is still learning to apply those principles.
I wish that I could go into even more detail surrounding my comments but as I stated in my first posted I will not do so on this forum. I will now return to my lurking mode for the remainder of the season. Enjoy the next few weeks it is going to be a WILD ride and remember to... Celebrate the Performers :)
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Oh, don't give me this "Judge issue" stuff. Phantom lost in Music GE and a good judge scored it the way he saw it.
Way to go Bluecoats! Keep it going and get that brass score up.
Relax, I'm happy for the folks from Canton. It is about the performers.
I will however stick with my earlier comment for reasons that I will not go into on this forum. The issue I posed was that of an inexperienced judge not understanding the value of a tenth as part of the evaluative process. Numbers management is a tricky thing that takes time to develop and understand as an adjudicator. Mr. Jenkins is still learning.
Celebrate the performers.... :)
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Of course, Matt gave the same number that Joe gave PR. Perhaps Bloo's just that much better? :P
It'd be interesting to compare that with how BD and 'Coats stacked up in that caption in Indy. Anyone have that?
I was not infering that a little Recap reading occured, however now that you bring it up........
and yes Coats could be just that entertaining! Good for them :)
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PR must have been destroyed in GE and/or Visual then. And colorguard. If they don't fix these areas, they are never going to compete for a DCI title.
Judge issue to night:
Matt Jenkins: GE Music.... Coats 17.5 PR 16.8
Last Night Joe Allison had PR and BD Tied in GE Music at a 16.8
I would tend to go with Joe Allison on this one. He has judged numerous times at Finals on the GE Music Sheet
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Blue also won percussion!!! Best show of the season!
WRONG..... PR 17.7 Coats 17.4
Regiment still undefeated!
Blue Stars new corps director
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Apparently you can not read or understand directions...... <**>