MusicManNJ
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18 hours ago, LabMaster said:
I thought I read and that it was confirmed, that assets were gone or returned months ago. There was no money left and no new incoming revenue or plans for funding. All of which preceded lawsuit progress. The bankruptcy decision and notifications are more recent than the dissolution of assets and corps administration as well.
The descision to file for bankruptcy was made when settlment discusions broke off. Once the decision was made for the orderly unwinding of the organization the board then started to sell off assets to help cover the cost of winding down (return of camp fees, staff pay, vendors, etc). Just because it was not announced to the public does not mean plans were not underway. This was all TRIGGERED by the end of settlement discussions and the move to trial which the Corps could not afford.
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20 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
So the corps wasn’t in the hole in August? I remember seeing in many places about transportation issues and employees being let go long before the inactive announcement was made.
No one was let go until it was clear that the org was going to close. They did let go the ED but that was not related to funding. The Corps was on track to come out in 2024. The end of settlement discussions also ended the Cadets future.
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Just now, Jeff Ream said:
Then why were assets being sold after the season?
Once the settlement discussion ended, so did the future of the corps. There was a donor who was going to pay the settlement. The plaintiff's lawyers made it clear they would pursue this to trial and would enjoin any perceived successor organization. The only thing left to do was the orderly unwinding of the organization and ensuring staff was paid, refunds for the 2024 audition season were made, purchased corps jackets delivered, and the passage of time to avoid the 90-day clawback period. Assets only started to be sold when the settlement discussions ended and it was clear bankruptcy was the only option.
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3 hours ago, Tim K said:
As we’re continuing this discussion, we need to keep in mind that the lawsuit was the final nail in the coffin, but even without the lawsuit the chances of Cadets taking the field again were slim to none.
This is not true. Plans for 2024 were well under development as there were positive indications of a settlement. That went up in smoke as soon as people started bashing the plaintiff on social media. he plaintiff ended settlement talks and that effectively ended any chance of the corps surviving. They could not withstand the expense of a lawsuit moving forward. That is what killed the Cadets. After an incredible finish in 2023 the goals for 2024 were even loftier. But, because of the move to go to trial and breakoff settlement discussions, that was the final straw.
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2 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
someone in Erie on i think DrumCorps Coffee Shop claimed to have helped craft the statement and seemed quite pleased with it.
knowing that individual, i can't say i'm surprised he would be. a one note samba kinda guy
That person is not telling the truth. It was crafted by the Board chair with the help of probono PR and legal input.
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24 minutes ago, kdaddy said:
Haven't other corps faced bankruptcy and returned? Didn't Boston Crusaders file for bankruptcy back when?
Chapter 7 means going out of business (what the Cadets did). Chapter 11 allows for reorganization.
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This is the end of the road for one of the most honored and decorated drum corps.
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Russ is a great choice for SCV! Has the background and experince to lead the organization back to sustainability. Looking forward to great things from SCV 2024!
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36 minutes ago, Boss Anova said:
More transparancy in DCI, but understand its a wish list mostly.
We all likely recall here how SCV likely knew how impossibly dire their financial condition was and the chances of their returning to the field this past season was virtually zero. They knew this all through 2022 likely too. But they irresponsibly withheld that info to the public. With that secrecy and withhold, parents and staff marchers, and auditioneers at SCV were regrettably put in positions for hope for marching in a Corps for 2023 that SCV mgt knew at this time last year ( and earlier ) was absolutely not going to happen. DCI itself was silent on this, so as far as we know they took no punitive actions on SCV with this wholly irresponsible lack of transparancy.... and as a result, man what a mess it created to hundreds of people once auditions rolled around and SCV still kept auditions going and silent on what they surely knew for a long long time in 2022. But it is what it is, so we learn to be patient and cautious as fans.
DCI was silent because DCI did not know that SCV management had planned on pulling the plug. They were in the dark like everyone else except the SCV leadership.
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59 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
Julie is an accomplished musician, instructor, and adjudicator. She's performed in the activity, taught winning percussion ensembles, has judged WGI percussion for years, and serves on the Percussion Advisory Board which literally sets the standards for percussion adjudication.
And she is a highly regraded composer and arranger for percussion through Rolloff publications and is so highly respected by the broader percussion community that she was elected as President of the Percussive Arts Society for the current term. Pardon the expression by Julie is a bad ###!
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7 hours ago, mcjordansc said:
I heard in Indianapolis that a successor was selected but he/she turned down the offer. Not sure if there is a fallback candidate or if the search continues. I assume DA steers the ship until someone is hired.
This is correct. DA is done by end of calendar year. Period.
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8 hours ago, Cappybara said:
I think I may have read it in one of the Facebook groups I’m in, but it seems that the successor has already been chosen and DCI should, apparently, be in good hands. That’s just vague rumors though
A successor for Dan has NOT been chosen yet. The search continues...
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Clean, Clean, Clean! Build up that endurance... and do what the Cadets always do at this time of year... just like Atlas... RISE!
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How about that Percussion Section!
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36 minutes ago, BWise said:
You’e picking one night but then saying the nights before don't matter. I’m not saying they have a knock out line but 5th place is hanging with the big boys in my opinion. And seriously. Look at those kids .. they are young. Like real young. And the hype of a regional in a dome is a lot for them … give them a little growing room. They’re pretty much accomplishing what the former staff did for 10 years over and over .. so far nothing lost as we’re in the same place year one.
Ok... but if that is the case, why replace last year's percussion staff who were... 5th place? It was terrible last year to be 5th but this year is OK? Cant have it both ways. And is not clear they will even be 5th this year.
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4 hours ago, wilme861 said:
Nope. Not at all. Incredibly close to Cavaliers, Blue Devils and Boston and beat Bluecoats twice in the days leading up to San Antonio. If beating last years Sanford winner twice and being 0.1 behind Blue Devils isn’t hanging with the top lines then I guess this line just has to win the Sanford before they’ll ever be considered good by people.
Not this year. 7th place with an 8th in achievement is not "hanging". I wanted them to be good... but this is not the percussion product. Maybe they will get better over the next few years but this year, IMHO, is done. Cadets had a complete percussion staff turnover like Crown. They were 4th, not 7th. And are excelling with some key Crown percussion folks from last year. The Corps management made such a big deal about this "transformational" percussion staff. It has yet to materialize. Most of you here will not agree. We will know who is correct soon enough.
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17 hours ago, BWise said:
They definitely aren’t near dead. One judge on one night. I guess MusicMan missed the scores the two nights prior.
There is plenty of room still for this show to grow .. I mean pretty wild haired scores on perc and guard last night .. now if it turns into last year’s plateau I’ll says it’s set.Percussion has been under performing most of the year. One night either way does not tell the story. But the trend is clear. Percussion will be LUCKY to finish where they did last year (5th). That is certainly not the outcome I want to see but it is clear to most they are still not at the same level as the top lines.
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On 7/22/2023 at 12:27 AM, karuna said:
While catching BD may well be out of reach, staying ahead of Bloo and hunting down the whale are both in their reach. Boston came out cleaner than anyone —by a lot. And while this may be their strongest corps performer-wise I don’t think it’s their strongest show design at all. WE SHALL SEE WHAT TRANSPIRES!
The die is cast. With a 7th place in percussion (so much for improvement from last year) it looks to be another 4th place finish. Love the corps... but clearly, they are missing something and have not been able to figure it out since 2015.
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51 minutes ago, karuna said:
They won "in spite of" their percussion scoring WAY below the rest of the captions. I think you're forgetting a lot of important details.
That is like saying Cadets won in 1983 "inspite of" the percussion that scored below the other captions from a field percussion staind point. But the conrtibution to the overall program (musically and visually including GE) was critical to the Cadets success. Hannum won his first of several DCI Championships (with three different corps) in 1983. His last with Crown in 2013. He may win his next title before Crown does.
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1 minute ago, karuna said:
they didn't "do him dirty" at all.
Yea... they did. Twice. First when they "Thought" they had grabbed Tom Aungst from Cadets only to have him back out and then had to go to Hannum to beg him to come back after that debacle. And then last fall they made the percussion changes and DID NOT consult with Thom but listed him on the staff... again without consulting him. That classifies as doing him dirty. On your other points... like you said... time will tell. I do hope they get it together.
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12 minutes ago, Grandpa Joe said:
Then please, pray tell, why didn't Hannum, Travis, etc. do so well at Crown then? Crown doesn't attract percussion players well. They're trying to fix that. If the prior team couldn't get the job done, then it's time to hire someone new. That's what happened.
Last I checked they won a championship with Hannum et al (should have been two IMHO). For 2023 the results speak for themselves. Not sure the show design helps percussion either. This was not a step forward. This is a step backward. Not all indoor percussion designers translate well to the big stadium.
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47 minutes ago, karuna said:
A) One judge on one night
B) Very Young Line with a long break
C) WE ARE CURSED
choose any or all of the above!
Oh and parting ways with Hannum was long overdue. The rest of the percussion staff? Well..s### happens. New writers were gonna bring their own people-- just goes with the territory. Certainly, Travis and team were doing a great job at Crown with the books they were given.
Not so sure. I might go with D) Replacement staff is not as good as the prior staff. That is my take. You are what your numbers say you are. Admittedly, I am a huge Hannum fan. Crown did him dirty. Travis and Team are doing great with Cadets, Hannum is doing great with Boston. But this was NOT the step forward everyone promoted it to be. Really a shame and it will cost them in the end.
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So what is up with percussion? After they made a big deal about all the changes to the percussion team and how this was the missing ingredient to Crown's success, they are currently placing 8th in percussion. EIGHTH! It looks like they made a mistake forcing Thom Hannum and his team out for something better(?). Many of the former Crown perc staff are at Cadets, and their percussion program is doing VERY well in comparison.
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16 hours ago, Sh0uldN0t said:
*though I'm convinced their board/leadership isn't pure, a topic for another day
Gotta throw out a wild claim without a shred of evidence. Nice.
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Cadets and bankruptcy
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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They were OK. Not going to say it was great. But they were well positioned for the 2024 season. Even had a new director in place and everything. Compared to Cadets in prior years they were in much better shape for the Cadets.