MusicManNJ
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7 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
that comment was made in sarcasm to that poster, not an indictment of how the organization is handling things. I understand how lawyers can drag anything out
Thanks for the clarification!
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7 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
yes you're right, just sweep the massive accusation leveled at the corps made public last week in the media under the rug.
I have not gotten any indication they are sweeping this under the rug. Doug made a statement... now they have to follow the process of dealing with the accusations. I have said before... there are gaping holes in the story (not about the incident itself or the member) but by what the parents claimed. Not sure what more you would like them to do at this point (asking for understanding not criticizing your comment).
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Just now, Incognito365 said:
Any word on tonights performance?
Crickets on the show thread... unless you follow college football or like Chuck Norris jokes...
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6 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
Cadets playing their ballad. Lisa Tunk is periscoping it.
Hope she gives us a some Crown... pretty please...
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7 hours ago, Incognito365 said:
When they are the only top 6 corps at a show they get scored low. It happens with any corps though, because they dont have anyone below them pushing their score higher.
And there is no brass judge so there's that. Tonight is the night where we begin to see where everyone stands head to head. I am expecting a great run... the rest will take care of itself!
It's a Show Day! LET's GO CROWN!!!
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1 hour ago, George Dixon said:
got away with?? They are two of the top, most respected judges in the country
Yes... that rookie Jay Kennedy who has only been judging since ... of 1980? And what has Richard Saucedo ever done in this activity... jeez!
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5 hours ago, chris ncsu said:
Back when Cadets were winning as many titles and medals as BD (or more), were they still not drawing the top talent? Didn't I hear that the 1985 corps was so good that they really didn't rehearse much relative to other corps (or at least other Cadets corps)?
They 85 Cadets did rehearse as much if not more than the other corps. The 84 Cadets rehearsed less because of lots of bus issues spending time on the side of the road.85 was the first of the championship years where they were loaded in all sections across the corps (battery was the laggard in 83, 84).
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2 hours ago, B-Flat said:
-I am hoping for an 87.4 score tonight!
Depends on the panel configuration (seeing lots of 5 personal panels with smaller number of competing corps). 8s could be wild in this scenario (88).
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3 minutes ago, xandandl said:
Plus, on the rankings tab, Blue Devils are currently listed fourth...so shouldn't they be in second to last group of performers? Or is the score average from the entire season used to determine lineup order?
Lots like the rankings page takes into account LAST NIGHT's scores which were not used (I believe) when the order was determined.
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IT'S A SHOW DAY! LET'S GO CROWN!!!
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11 hours ago, queenanne_1536 said:
I would have Crown ahead of Vanguard in at least all the content captions in GE and Visual (except guard) and close in brass. I'm not a judge. Obviously, the judges see more in Vanguard's show right now, and that is just unlikely to change.
And this can change depending upon the Judge.
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14 hours ago, jjeffeory said:
I don't think there are any conspiracies happening this year as much as the sheets and tastes have shifted.
This is my point... Thank you.
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2 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
I'm confused though, I thought you said your basis is quantifiable. Wouldn't it be neglect by the judges to not take into account objective things in favor of the subjective?
It has been subjective for as long as there have been judges (percussion got rid of the tick system in 1984 and some would argue that THIS was subjective). What is valued changes from over the years. Parking and playing was not looked on favorably fro a long period of time. Now it is. Most people would agree it is easier to park and play (and move and not play) than to move and play at the same time. Then you add in degree of difficulty of the music/drill and then see if it all makes sense from a construction standpoint. Crown has a more visually demanding and complex show... it is more musically demanding because the music is challenging and they are moving at the same time. What we do not know is if, as they clean up, this will be rewarded or if we are continuing down the Broadway/Cirque du Soleil pathway.
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2 minutes ago, Spatzzz said:
The thought that MORE NOTES and FASTER = BETTER is just dumb.
No your statement is because your are missing the entire discussion. Not what I am saying at all but if that is all you can understand so be it. I am saying the demand is different and how or if it is rewarded has changed over time and how/if the demand of Crown's show is rewarded remains to be seen. The scores last night reflects the fact that it very well may be. Time will tell.
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10 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
Are you suggesting that judges don't judge the visual category correctly anymore?
Nope... saying they way they judge is evolving (as it has over the past decades). What is rewarded from year to year DOES change. Let's see what is valued this year.
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17 minutes ago, Poppycock said:
After Broken Arrow we will know who the contenders and pretenders are.
More likely SA... I expect to see movement throughout the week across the top 12 from the SA seatings to where they actually end up.
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30 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
Right.... This is the equivalent of an figure skating fan at the olympics saying that they disagree with the judges with decades of experience that their favorite ice skater isn't performing the hardest routine.
Like that's cool and all but still technically.. wrong
Not technically wrong... using my eyes and ears as are others. The visual demand of Crown this year is higher than any other corps regarding field coverage, velocity, design. That is quantifiable... tempo, check. field coverage, check. design complexity, check. These are facts. Get out your Dr. Beat if you think I am incorrect. Whether it receives the credit from the judges remains to be seen.
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35 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
Why oh why isn’t Broken Arrow on flomarching instead of the Texas show?
Right? It is only the first time we get 8 of the top 9 corps all in one place at the same time! Although probably better off since I spent most of last night yelling at the TV because Flo kept stuttering then stopping performances.
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12 minutes ago, George Dixon said:
Tomorrow they have a show day - El Dorado, KS with Mandarins, Crossmen, BK, SCV, Cadets & BD
That is some travel for SCV... From Memphis... to Kansas and then back from Broken Arrow on Tuesday for the biggest show of the year. Wow
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2 minutes ago, nsxanax said:
You’re forgetting Twain & Churchill.
Closet, corps aficionados...
And I forgot that YOU quoted Yogi Berra who was know to wonder over to the Bloomfield show and peer over the fence...
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Dennis Delucia, Michael Cesario, Bobby Hoffman, George Zingali, Tom Blair... anyone else?
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1 hour ago, ThePlanets said:
I am just not impressed with their music analysis and brass scores from Memphis last night..
Matt Harloff was not impressed by the MA score last night either. I am sure this was a point of discussion during critique...
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55 minutes ago, Jurassic Lancer said:
I think it was Bobby Hoffman.
So far in this thread in the last 24 hours we people have quoted... Dennis Delucia, Michael Cesario, Bobby Hoffman (amongst others)... who's next?
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43 minutes ago, Cappybara said:
The scores from last night seem to disagree. Crown only beat SCV in content in one caption (visual analysis) and that too only by a tenth of a point. "Way ahead of the others" in demand is a gross exaggeration
Time will tell... IMHO the visual design and demand is way ahead of the others. Whether or not this is gets any credit with the judges remains to be seen. It does not change the fact that they march and play way more than the others in the top 6 (again... my opinion that I know is shared by others).
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Carolina Crown 2019
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I actually believe they can medal. SCV is in their sights. The weekend will tell if this possible or not. I believe it is!