Lancer79
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23 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
However, you have not even chosen to listen to the alleged Women victims of GH on the videos. So you really don't much care for anyone in this but GH, imo.
I listened to the ones that were online in April 2018.
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25 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
You thus believe the woman are lying about being sexually assaulted, are part of a plot, GH didn't do it, and its all just an organized smear campaign by a group of Cadets Alums because they either did not like his show productions or the fact the Cadets have not medaled in a few years now ( or some other reasons being put forth for this ). You state here you " KNOW " how this all came to be too. My suggestion then, if you have not already done so, is for you to be in touch with legal authorities in Lehigh County. Pa, and to inform them what you claim to " know " about this alleged " smear campaign " apparently being organized on a guy that you seem to have a remaining infatuation with, and you apparently " know " is somehow a victim here of an apparent organized smear campaign conspiracy to plot and lie about GH in order to depose him from his YEA/Cadets Directorships.
I am not saying anything about the women.
I get why your thinking the Smear is a fantastical accusation ... I found it hard to believe back in 2017 when he told me what they were doing. After research and my own dealings. These people are real and they really were going above and beyond with their actions to make his life hell. Your first instinct is to say... no way. It was real and focused and factual.
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16 minutes ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:
At no point did I say to keep your words silent. Perhaps that's your past experiences peeking through the veil. You have as much right to speak on your opinion as I do. If I didn't wish to hear both sides, I wouldn't bother to read this thread much less post in it. If nothing else, give me a tiny bit of credit for being smarter than a milk dud. At no point did state that anything you said made me "uncomfortable." I'm made of far tougher stuff than you give me credit for (as most likely are you.) You have your say and I accept that you believe what you believe. However, as someone who expects to have their feelings and opinions validated, I would expect the same of you. We stand on opposing sides of the fence on this issue, but as long as we both understand that the fence exists and that all opinions matter (even if only to ourselves,) then we will at worst, agree to disagree...and that's not a bad thing. If we cannot respect each others view, then there would be no point in continuing a dialog.
Thank you. My frustration is, people form opinions based on their first,second and third experiences with George (first sometimes being a misunderstanding? But likely not... second and third being ... gossip) and the videos of the women and that’s it. There is much more to this situation that either I/we don’t know or I know and can’t say. Their is a lot of repressed and not repressed anger and rage directed at George for many things. People can ‘imagine’ but they were not there! My take was he was much more bark than bite, but that’s only based on my experience and my gut feeling... I have lived a long life. 58. I have met hundreds of highly driven, intelligent and successful men, so I’m familiar with that kind of passionate and dominate type. I’m never that impressed just a preference on my part. He’s typical. Focused people can often be lacking in understanding the importance of ‘taking the time and interest in listening’. This is where I am at, his faith has and is changed him. I hope the world meets this George. But the jury will decide.
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14 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
The only “treatment” you are getting is when people respond to something you post. No one is attacking you. This is a forum. People post their thoughts in order to elicit responses. That’s how forums work. You post some provocative thoughts. And you’re surprised you’re getting a reaction? That’s a bit disingenuous.
I’m from Philly. I don’t feel attacked. If I was bothered I wouldn’t be here or post. That being said, most people will not speak out publicly. Everyone has their way and I respect everyone.
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1 hour ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:
I certainly don't see this subject as "fodder" or "entertainment." I would hazard a guess that the majority of posters here, yourself included, feel very strongly about the subject and understand very well it's severity. You are correct, this is about his career and his life. It IS very serious.
But let us not forget that this is also about the lives of at LEAST 12 women (who knows how many survivors haven't reported anything for various reasons,) who are directly involved and others who are watching intently that survived abuse at the hands of others in our activity over the years. IF the allegations are true, a conviction on this front would serve as a silent victory for them all. This is about THEIR lives too remember.
I have my personal opinions as well. I think GH's critics are vocal on social media such as this forum and Reddit. ####, I'm one of them in some ways from before the G7 days (G7 just cemented my dislike of his personality.) That being said, my voice, my opinion has absolutely NOTHING to do with what will happen in court. Where I take exception is when I feel that I'm being told that my personal feelings are somehow "flawed" because another persons interaction is in stark contrast to what we have known is typical behavior for quite a few years. It's like the neighbor on the news who says "I always felt that (insert killers name) was a nice guy/gal. They were always nice to me anyways."
If you ‘feel’ this way, that is on you. I am not expressing my feelings but instead recounting my one on one interactions. If my speaking causes this discomfort and maybe you feel I should keep my words silent because that would make you feel comfortable. Maybe you just want to hear what re-enforces your beliefs and experiences... well, basically, no. I will not be silent. That being said, I’m not saying your experiences are not factual. I’m not saying your beliefs are flawed. Your or anyone’s thoughts don’t make me uncomfortable. IF the jury finds guilt or reasonable doubt, that’s on them and I will accept that verdict. My experience was meeting a person who was seeking a more peaceful future. Someone who was on the humble and reflective side. As I have interacted from that time, his faith began and transformed him. I don’t know who he was but I don’t think that is who he is. He said he is not guilty of what he is charged and I believe him. I’ve hear others talk about their experiences and I don’t disbelieve them, as his personality has been consistent over the years. I also know how this all came to be and I would imagine the facts of that will come out in the future. Just because he had a personality that many did not like is not a reason to destroy a life and send a man to jail. If the jury finds guilt then so be it.
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6 minutes ago, Liahona said:
Beyond "you" who might that be? I find your statement here hardly credible at all...Perhaps you need to stop burying your head in the sand...just saying...
What I say is first person experience, nothing else. My head is not in the sand and I will not give names or speak names.
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I don’t have much more to say, that I haven’t said.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
Well no his defenders too
There are many who believe George but to say this will cause them the kind of treatment I get.
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1 hour ago, Jurassic Lancer said:
Yeah, that’s pretty negative. No journalistic integrity—just schilling for clicks.
Well, that was not my intention.
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3 hours ago, BRASSO said:
While true, you likewise can't castigate the reporter for claiming as you did that She only " covered one side of the story ", when it appears George Hopkins, through his Attorney, was given an opportunity to do so, but declined.
I have never said anything negative about Tricia.
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1 minute ago, Terri Schehr said:
One of them wasn’t even a Cadet, I believe. She’d worked for YEA and had moved on to another corps.
The two women who are pressing charges were NOT in the group that the old Alumni brought together. They came forward after the story was printed.
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3 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
I do. it's easy to see.
I have never said anything about the women.
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12 minutes ago, MusicManNJ said:
So... from the time you met him... has he shared with you the mean spirited comments and emails he sent to members after the 2017 season of both Cadets and C2? Did he tell you about how he drove people to other organizations by his actions following that season? How about all the USBands schools who were mistreated during the 2017 fall band season... so much so that many bands vowed not to return? You were buddies with him then, correct? How about the sponsors who he upset by not providing the contractually obligated programming but still took thier money? A sampling of the actions of the "NEW GH" you are telling us about that you befriended. Just trying see how you square your knowledge of the man with his actions during this same period.
I did not ask those questions and he did not share the details of his past like that. We just focused on how the future could be different than the past and how he could go about making that change. He wanted peace.
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8 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
I do not believe the " meetoo " movement ( nor any other movement ) is the reason the DA from Penn. is prosecuting George Hopkins. Although, it seems to be another canard, along with the " smear campaign "angle... and also " Alums that did not like his show productions".... for the reasons these women came forth and claim levels of sexual abuse spanning decades from GH.
The small group did not like him because he excluded them from being actively involved in the corps. Not being their, but reading their post, I would imagine the dialogue wasn’t evolved. It may have started out evolved but lots of behavior and misunderstandings led to a pissing contest (as you call it). As the corps ranking fell over the years, they felt “if he would JUST listen to us”, and he didn’t/ wouldn’t. Anger turn to Rage turn to revenge and action. Then also over the years, he became the villain to hate. This whole story was fuel for the flames. Add in the metoo movement and it’s popularity. Not to hard to imagine the rest.
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2 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
While true, you likewise can't castigate the reporter for claiming as you did that She only " covered one side of the story ", when it appears George Hopkins, through his Attorney, was given an opportunity to do so, but declined.
She covered the side of the story that gets clicks and sells papers. She is just doing her job to get one story out there and I’m trying to get what I witnessed and know... out there. Because of the sensitivity of this case there is much that can’t be said... only in a court of law.
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2 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
Except that GH and his Attorney were contacted by the investigatory reporter, for their side, and they denied it all from the dozen women, claiming in a one, two sentence comment that all of it "was consenual", and then " no further comment " on it. So GH WAS given the opportunity by the newspsaper to speak in as much length and detail as the alleged victims did... but he declined the offer. Lancer79.
Well, he has to do what his lawyers advise him to do. You can’t hold that against him. This might be fodder and entertainment for many on DCP but I assure you, this is his life and it’s happening at a time in history with the metoo movement where an accusation against a man will destroy a career... a life. Very serious.
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16 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
Maybe. But we discuss silly things in Drum Corps all the time. Here and on other Drum Corps discussion boards. Its really up to each of us to determine for ourselves if a thread topic has " no purpose " . Surely you have scrolled by lots of thread topics you assess has " no purpose "... or is " arcane "... or just plain uninteresting for you, or what not. How " useful " and " productive " thread topics and discussions are is really not up to any single one us. A thread topic with little to no " purpose " generally dies on its own accord dans. This one, at the moment, seems to have interest. If its not to your liking, fine, no problem. There are lots of thread topics.. as I said, start your own, if so inclined. I understand you want a black out of discussion of this topic, as its unpleasant a topic, and you'd prefer we don't talk about it until " its resolved in a courtroom ". But thats unlikely. When the press reports something in the papers, you can expect a discussion of it, even if its not the trial itself.
Point on Brasso. I don’t believe a mans life is Silly and I do see the press, much like the initial reports covered about Covington Catholic, to be showing one side of the story. Observering over the months a vacuum of opinions being given, I could no longer remain silent. Surely the rocks and stones themselves were about to sing! Granted my exposure and first hand experience is not the same longevity as others on this site... on any site. But that being said, people change. I believe the George of today is very different than the guy you knew. For what he was and did or did not do... that is for the jury. I believe he was an ### in many ways to many people but I do not believe he is guilty of these charges.
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26 minutes ago, BRASSO said:
Indeed you do Lancer79. Not only on here, but on other social media Drum Corps fan discussion sites whenever the topic of GH,( post arrest & criminal charge now ) comes up.
Yep, my objective is to witness to the person I met in 2017. To note his interest in hearing about faith (is. It didn’t just happen over this charge last summer, long before). His interest in finding a way to repair the dynamic of relations with this group of Alumni, because he was tired of dealing with the constant negativity they were hitting him with. I don’t need to witness this as it is a know fact. .. but his undying focus on how to make YEA and the Cadets better organizations, in Every way.
Why start vocally supporting him in December? I spent the year being silent on social media. I would have one on one PM’s with people but stayed away from the red hot embers of folks on DCP and Reddit and FB. I decided if I speak MY truth and not get involved in subjectivity and speculation I could handle the flames. Obviously it’s not in my hands but in the hands of the lawyers and jurors. I believe in forgiveness and redemption.
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11 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
should have gone in 2007. what you heard was tame
That is sad.
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7 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
It was always about getting more money.
I think fundraising was ALWAYS on his mind. But I also believe he wanted to find a more peaceful way to exist!
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8 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
Is that directed toward me? I’m a married woman and I didn’t have to go online to find him.
Do you ask these men for their W2?
As a computer nerd. If I have your cell phone number I can pretty much find out everything else before I meet you. I have no intention of being a statistic. So, I don’t think I’m their worst nightmare because people genuinely enjoy the conversations.
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9 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
Well, here’s your basic nightmare guys.
I am your nightmare because I don’t drink alcohol and am very cerebral. Not the girly girl. I do always buy my own coffee!
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2 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
let's be honest here...hundreds if not thousands of people hated him. I mean legit real life hatred. It happens when you mock employees for leaving, treating people like crap, using people then chucking them aside when they are no longer any good for your agenda...I could go on and on. And it happened over and over and over and over and over again. YOur problem is your affection for him clouds your ability to look objectively at some stone cold hard facts well established over decades
In August of 2017, I went to see DCI finals in a movie theater and when the Cadets came onto the field a high school kid behind me yelled something about Hitler towards Hopkins on the screen... I stood up and spoke directly to him and his friends about how his disrespect was uncalled for. I was in shock. Who does that?
In addition the criminal charges against GH
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