Keith Hall
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I hope it works out and the all-age activity grows again.
When Brigs, Crusaders and Statesmen faded away that was really sad! I was fond of Renegades, Min Brass, Kilties and Heatwave too
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I'll start.....
Many years ago (in the 1970's) when I marched junior corps (remember when we called it that?),I hated senior corps. So I was loyal and devoted to my corps and that was it. In 1990 I was asked by members of two corps to join them and so I chose to march with Rochester Crusaders. I met some really great people there who are still friends of mine today. I loved going to DCA!
This is the last DCA Championships as the will run under DCI. Although years ago I thought this would happen due to less corps in each association. But here are my observations. Years ago DCA was starting to grow...Florida, Georgia, Minnesota, Wisconsin and even California. I know it was tough for those corps outside the Northeast US to walk into Scranton or Rochester and compete with those older NE corps. I really enjoyed the Renegades and Minnesota Brass. But somehow those corps are not part of the scene and I mean that they are either gone, or just not participating this year.
Will the move to DCI be helpful? What has DCI done to see the activity grow? We see less "junior" corps than ever. Now every kid wants to march with a top 12 corps. In the 1970's I was loyal to my local corps until the merged with a corps of lesser value.
So will DCI help the All-Age corps or euthanize the all-age activity in a short time? Just something to think about since Blue Devils won again!
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Need to go back to an "in your face" show? Be more aggressive? What say you?
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I'm going to say Spartans sneak in at 12.
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I'm having a flash back here as it sounds like RAMD and she who shall not be named. Please tell me it's 2023!!!!
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Read it yesterday. Not cool of Bluecoats to allow it no matter what the age. A speech should have been made that that Males stay in their room and females in their rooms. No mixing otherwise you get sent home on the next Greyhound. In the 1970's that was the rule. What you do outside of the corps is your business but when you are with the corps, you follow OUR rules!!!
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Years ago when I suggested this, I was crazy or "It will never happen!" Well, look who was right. Maybe it will mean more All Age corps will start forming in the MidWest. Maybe Renegades will rise up again!
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They performed at US Open in 1982 after the corps I was working with (Renegades) performed.
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Anaheim was 13th at US Open in 1982
6th at A-I Open and 28th at DCI in 1982 and 21 in 1983
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I saw Anaheim in 1982 at US Open
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Argonne, Des Plaines, Hawthorne and Bleu Raeders gone in the 70's
Anaheim, 27th, Bridgemen, Kilties in the 80's
SCV 2023
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Blue Stars, Troopers, Cavaliers
Madison Scouts were 14th
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Start later, end the same time......less of a tour, less time BUT more money! Yeh I would tell my kid to play sports
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On 5/2/2023 at 4:55 PM, scheherazadesghost said:
WOW!!! What a story!
Donors can still close checkbooks. I hear rumblings, unconfirmed, that this was happening before news of the delinquency status came out.
As for replacing with their own people, sure, I suppose, but it is not a fun process. (TBH, my whole relationship with Vanguard these last several years started with my initial interest to apply for the board, specifically to focus on DEI. I rescinded my interest and have kept my rationale confidential to protect Vanguard and current leadership.)
My real reflection on your question is: what power do stakeholders who can't talk with their checkbooks have? In a healthy non profit, their donations of time and experience are valued and integrated as equally as financial donors.
If your org is focused solely on money, finances, and donors as the primary ways of maintaining the institution, it's really easy to let the other types of stakeholders fall to the wayside. Totally fine in a for profit model.
But again, without experienced np pros in leadership, it's too temping to run logistically like a for profit and muck up the np model. I see no single np pro in Vanguard leadership with more than 3 to 5 years' worth of experience. Rut roh.
No one wants me, a np professional, to come in and run a for profit business. For obvious reasons. But it works both ways.
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Back in 1987 I had a recording of that show that I got frdom Ken Kobold. I thoroughly enjoyed it along with all the other corps I had to include my own corps from the 1970's. Wish I had those again but the tapes deteriorated.
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What's there story?
Remember reading an article about this corps from Osage but not sure what publication. Talked about using a college football stadium for rehearsals.
Saw they competed in DCI 1972-27th place, 1973-25th place, 1974-25th, 1975-14 (I saw them at NT Open and loved them), 1976-22nd.
Were the disbanded after 1976?
Staff? Arrangers?
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True story..... back in 1985, I went back in the Army and was stationed in Frankfurt area. I started working with Schlossgarde and we were in the Frankfurt Festhalle for an event. I started thinking of..."wouldn't it be cool to do drum corps in an arena with lights?" So periodically I would think/day dream about that. Then came Brass Theater to Blast. All these ideas that someone stole lol
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You know I wasn't serious right? Maybe most don't know me LOL
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Want props in drum corps? Start up a Winter Drum Corps Association that competes in large arena's in the country. Use all the props you want! Compete. Learn a winter show and another for the summer. Now corps won't dig up fields during the summer and spectators and judges can concentrate on the music and marching
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JUst stop with the props!
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Steve was a NY guy...Watkins Glen Squires as well as a Rochester TV station news guy.
FL corps don't last .....Florida Vanguard, Devil Dogs, Florida Wave, Silhouettes, Floridians, Suncoast Sound, Magic, Teal Sound etc. Heat Wave Sr gone.
Come and Go!
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So will they compete in Open Class next year?
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I noticed that the Polish Falcon Cadets in 1975 took 17th at DCI and the following year dropped to 47th which was dead last. Reasons?
Goodbye
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Do veteran DCA corps members want to compete in morning or afternoon. Almost like being treated like the "red headed Stepchild!"
DCI Prelims, Quarter Finals, Semi Finals and Finals is a joke! The amount of corps (minimal) and the minor lack of movement in placing really sets up the top 12 two weeks prior. They could have prelims on Friday (day) and Finals on Saturday and Friday evening could be All Age Finals (I would add to have all age prelims, if its needed, on Friday along with DCI prelims. The old model would definitely work today with lack of corps!