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I always thought Suncoast 88's Hell Block would be remembered, but it never gets mentioned. You want to talk about incredibly dangerous moves? That one was an all-timer.
Oh God, the memories....
<shudder>
(Maybe because it was never clean?)
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Sorry, I meant to include this so you could see what I was talking about. And yes, I do realize this thread is almost a year old, but I never get tired of analyzing this sort of stuff.
Actually, they are not playing on this move. That, however, takes nothing away from how cool the move is. So, are there any moves that we are all raving about this year?
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What's the line-up? Or did I miss it somewhere?
Here you go (Times CST):
DCI Southwestern Championship
The Alamodome, San Antonio, Texas
Saturday, July 19
11:00 AM – Gates Open
12:30 PM – Kick Start Leadership Workshop
2:30 PM – Guardians
2:47 PM – Genesis
3:04 PM – Pioneer
3:21 PM – Cascades
3:38 PM – Jersey Surf
3:55 PM – Mandarins
4:12 PM – Pacific Crest
4:29 PM – The Academy
4:46 PM – Intermission
5:37 PM – Oregon Crusaders
5:54 PM – Colts
6:11 PM – Troopers
6:28 PM – Spirit of Atlanta
6:45 PM – Crossmen
7:02 PM – Blue Stars
7:19 PM – Madison Scouts
7:36 PM – Phantom Regiment
7:53 PM – Intermission
8:10 PM – Boston Crusaders
8:27 PM – Blue Knights
8:44 PM – Santa Clara Vanguard
9:01 PM – Bluecoats
9:18 PM – The Cavaliers
9:35 PM – Carolina Crown
9:52 PM – Blue Devils
10:09 PM – The Cadets
10:26 PM – DrumLine Battle: Crossmen vs. Bluecoats
10:38 PM – Awards Ceremony
Read more: http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=fa96d0e7-1e71-4aad-a4fe-0bb7905ebdee#ixzz37wlXrNME
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The Bluecoats' show is:
-incredibly clean.
-a series of set pieces relating to the general theme of the "tilt".
-masterfully executed.
-the first to marry full volume brass synth recordings with live brass.
-slick in its handling of the tilt stage props.
The Bluecoats show is also:
-Limited in its range of emotion and tone
-Limited in its color guard equipment, color changes and range of style.
-Without thematic argument.
-Without pattern.
-Without story elements, although not required.
-Without dramatic progression.
-Without depth of meaning.
-Without cultural reference.
-Without ties or reference to nationality, political scenarios, business, literary or historical references, science, the humanities other than music itself, psychology, sociology, architecture, or media.
-Without variance in musical genres within the show
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So you're saying that Boston Crusaders 2014 would contend for Gold with Cadets 1993 & Star 1993? Is that what you're saying?
Because I'm telling you Regiment 1993 (the third place corps in 93) would beat Boston 2014 and I don't think it would be very close - say 3-4 points or so gap under today's rules
Not only that, but would outright beat Cadets 83 or 84.
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Boston Symphony Orchestra's principal tubist marched DCI with Suncoast Sound in the 80's . . . . .Mike Roylance
Yep, 84 and 87. He was my section leader in 87.
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we do however, with the emphasis on visual risks being asked of the kids, seeing more injuries
This is true, but don't most corps travel with some sort of trainer now? We were certainly a "rub dirt on it and get back on the field" type of outfit... :)
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As to the topic, I agree with what others have said: The members, by and large, are treated FAR better than they were when I marched, in terms of meals, safety, etc. Comparing the product on the field is a fool's errand. There were things that were incredible in just about every era of drum corps, and there were (and still are) things that are not so good.
The experience, for the members, has basically remained the same, though, and that is a Good Thing.
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Age does not empart intelligence. You guys love to pontificate as if your age makes you better.
Age does not, necessarily, make one "better". However, with age comes experience, and oftentimes experience does make one wiser. Further, age gives one perspective while (usually) mitigating the competitive feelings we may have carried with us in our youth. These feelings, at least for me, made it impossible to enjoy or even sometimes appreciate the efforts of the corps in our "competitive neighborhood". As I have gotten older, I have found that I enjoy the shows far more when I don't care about the competitive aspect; when I don't worry about disliking one group or another because they are beating "my" group.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted here or not, but, well, yeah.
Vienna Teng explains The Hymn of Axiom (live performance starts at about 2:44)
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Great idea!
I am not a director so I don't have direct connections, but, because I am an Old, I have many former corps mates who have kids marching this year, so:
Go Cassidy! (Spirit Colorguard)
Go Matt and Andy! (Crown Hornline)
(Pretty sure I am missing more than a few, off to check the Book of Face to find them...)
And, GO SURF!
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I don't know if there's much they can really do about the 95 audio, it's so pit heavy and bright. There is no bass. Sucks for all those great shows to be preserved that way :(
Exactly. Some of the best impacts are all RIDECYMBALCRASHCYMBALHISSSSSSS. It is because of this that I rarely take the time to listen to the shows from 95, and there are so many great shows that year. :(
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Again, you've proven the point. You are all like old men who never want to give up their high school football glory. I think it's you all who can't make a fair comparison because you can't get the 30 year old cob webs out of your mind. I swear you guys are like the Amish of drum corps. At least I have the ability to look back at the years I marched and era I grew up and realize it pales in comparison to today's activity.
There is no way on God's green Earth that a horn line from 1986 matches with a modern corps therefore comparing the horn lines is easy. Obviously a modern book is harder and better performed therefore it's no competition. I'd put anyone in the top 12 against 1986 Suncoast as better.
Dude, I really shouldn't, but another part of maturity is reading comprehension. I never said that the 86 Suncoast brass line was better than the 2013 Crown brass line. I simply agreed that the 86 corps receiving a 9.9 in Field Brass with 5 units left to perform, including 86 BD was perhaps a more impressive feat than Crown's "perfect" score last year. It is fairly obvious that Bill Doyle gave Suncoast a 9.9 with the intention of leaving room, just in case one of the five corps yet to perform did a better job on his sheets. None did, none even tied. Conversely, Crown went on last at finals, so the judges had already ranked and rated everyone else. They did not need to leave room, so if they felt that Crown deserved 10s, they could (and did) grant them.
As to your comments about us "old men", you are painting with an awfully wide brush. John (Kamarag) is 2 years older than I am, has marched with and taught some of the best corps in the activity's history, and knows his ####. He is also a very vocal supporter of modern drum corps. Likewise, I feel you may have no idea who George Dixon is. I don't know his age, but I would guess it's in the same ballpark, and, in this thread alone, you will find him positively gushing about shows this year. Many of the other posters of "an advanced age" posting on this and other threads have been similarly very positive, myself included.
I am not saying that the people you describe don't exist, of course they do. And when they spout their silliness, it tends to make all of us "legacy" fans look bad. Just like you calling those of us that actively support modern drum corps (see, I am not even calling them "brass bands" or some other foolishness) "old windbags" reflects pretty poorly on your generation of fans.
So, read what we are saying. It is entirely possible to have marched in the 60s, 70s, 80s or 90s and still enjoy the programs out there today. I know that I do, else I would not be going to Allentown next month, nor would I have attended at least one live show nearly every year since I aged out, including Finals in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2003 and 2005. I think that you (like many younger fans) are seeing criticism of a corps that you apparently really like and interpreting that as some sort of slam against all modern corps. Personally, I feel that Crown's show last year was at or near the absolute pinnacle of a perfectly designed and executed show, minus a (comparative to the rest of the corps) weak drumline. I felt that from about this point last year up to and through their Finals performance. This year, the corps is also very, very good, but they have not hit that point of greatness, yet. Will they? Perhaps. Are there other shows that I, personally, enjoy more this year? Yep. Guess what, that's ok.
/soapbox
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Now you are clearly a honk for Suncoast!! ;)
Duh! :)
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Context...it's a lot easier to justify a perfect number when you are last to perform. A 9.9 and winning the caption with 3-4 groups still left to perform....think about that.
5 groups. I just checked, Suncoast went on 7th (just after Madison and before Spirit)
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Of course it is.
Why, exactly? Crown was expected to win Brass last year. Suncoast performed in the 6th or 7th place position at finals (they tied for 6th at prelims with Madison, behind Spirit), with the juggernaut that was BD 1986 among those yet to perform. Field Brass was one of only four subcaptions that BD didn't win, and brass was their strong point (they were the "Crown" of brass back then). So I think that there is certainly merit in the question.
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Apparently us "olds" may be a bit quicker with the comprehension, because I understood EXACTLY what George meant. I also wasn't too surprised with cali's reaction. George has watched several shows this year, and I am pretty sure he's seen Crown live. More than a few people, both watching FN and actually at the show said that Crown had an off night in the hornline, which is, I assume, why George was surprised that they won brass last night.Cali, on the other hand, perceived George's honest assessment as some sort of biased slight of Crown, so he went on the attack, as honks are wont to do. In the process he kinda looked silly and made an assumption as to George's personal corps preference. Alas, this is a rookie mistake, so we will let it slide. All you have to do is view George's response, wherein, instead of attitude, name calling, or disparaging remarks, he simply clarified his post.
This edition of drum corps fan psychoanalysis brought to you by my "old person wheels".
Edit because autocorrect added an apostrophe that I absolutely did not want.
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<Snip the StarTalk>
More on topic - the line up on this disk is so good it might actually cause me to purchase a Blue Ray player. 92 Crossmen, 87 SCV, and 95 Madison alone might be worth it.
I am just excited by the prospect of hearing that show the way it's supposed to sound. The CDs from 95 were a dog's breakfast in the audio department... Fan Network is ok, I wonder what audio source they are working from?
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Point out one of MY posts where I gave "glowing reviews" of any type of narration. I've been consistently against it from day one. But corps are going to continue using it no matter what and I don't see the point on dwelling on it. I just like everyone else would rather just hear music instead, so you can stop minimizing my take on the subject by pointing out I "bleed maroon" or don't like Cadets being criticized. I've been used to Cadets being criticized since the day I auditioned for them.
Jumping in with a (small) grenade... Tekk may bleed Maroon, but he was slamming his corps early on. So don't try to paint him with a borg brush, please.
Edit: Quoted the wrong post, but you know what I mean. (I was speaking to Hockey Dad)
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Bravo.
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Great performance by BD - good lord!! What a great program. And so much fun. Fresh as well.
Strengths are obviously the arrangement, the corps talent, the guard is at lowest top 2, visual demand and execution
Possible weakness in the program is GE visual - but we'll see how that fleshes out over the coming weeks
Just an amazing, amazing job!
Agree 100% If they can perform at that level in the daylight, I can't wait to see the finished product under the lights. (I know it shouldn't make a difference, but I also know that BD (and other top corps) specifically program to peak in the late evening.) Funny thing is, this isn't even my favorite show this year, but it's soooo good.
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Man this show is good. It doesn't get me on my feet just yet (I think the ending needs some attention), but it's fantastic...
........Did Dan Potter just say "Let's here it for our Next Champion, the Blue Devils?"
Yes, but he also said it after Cavies. The show is "Tour of Champions" after all. The tin hats can go back on the shelf... for now. :)
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while the tenor player was playing i covered the front speakers one at a time. Sounded the same when i covered the right. Could have been where he stood that was just the problem.
Actually, part of the problem is that I am an idiot. While my speakers are at full volume, and the stream is at full volume, I neglected to check my actual PC volume, which was only at 50%. Once we have something else to listen to, I think I will be fine.
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sounds like almost no sound coming out of right speaker
Yeah, that may be part of it. Looks like they have just the center mics again, and during Cadets performance they would have been nearly parallel, so that makes sense. I can hear the announcer somewhat well, so it may just be the mic placement.
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I will take a swipe at this as a non-percussionist...
In some ways, it's like porn... you know it when you see (hear) it! :)
Seriously, wayyy back in high school we would do singing runthroughs and everyone would sing the drum breaks and fills. If it's cool, you kinda learn to sing it.
There have been some really good suggestions already made. I would add/amplify the following:
As far as some examples of really tasty drum stuff:
All of Cadets 1987. I can't think of a more musically ingrained book than that one. I was walking back to the showers after rehearsal one day in August 87 and got the treat of watching the Cadets drumline doing a full marching runthrough. I could tell exactly what the music was for each section because the battery book was that well written. Specifically check out these time-stamps (if you have Fan Network):
Other great Cadets examples include all of their drum features from the early 00s (specifically 2000 and 2002), and the drumline work in Malaguena in 2003. Check out the transition into Dancer in the Dark in 2005 (5:20). They didn't due the normal gig of the drumline being tacet during the ballad, and instead, starting at about 6:47 they start jamming, in contrast to the ballad stuff in the horns. One of my favorite percussion moments ever. Finally, listed to the open rolls during their show last year, it's the at the really loud climax of the show, and Jeff Prosperie went nuts for them at Finals.
Other examples: 2003 BD and SCV - Different styles, but really, really tasty material. 2004 BD probably were the best usage of amps in the first year, by using a bunch of instrumentation for effect that could not have been done before.
There have been a lot of other really, really good lines, but this is already TL;DR. Hope it helps somewhat though.