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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
plus they can point to putting Cadets on super secret probation back in 18
I had forgotten about that stunt. How crazy was it to think they could just gloss that over and pretend like it never happened??
Sorta like all these sock puppet accounts and dreamers that think that somehow belive that they keep on victim shaming the victims they are going to worm GH back on the podium or in a position of leadership at DCI?
I could totally see once he gets off probation that he becomes a ghost writer. BOA, DCI Winter Gaurd you name it. Butnif it was ever found out who the real author was those units would either get black balled or pay a heavy price . Or not. It's a fickle industry that's hell bent on self destruction apparently.
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4 minutes ago, 2muchcoffeeman said:
I can only imagine how deep the legal waters around all of DCI would be today if the G7 agenda has pushed through. It would have made The Cadets more synonymous with DCI than it already was -- and pulled the others deeper into their orbit. Maybe the Cadets' legal issues would not be as transitive as I imagine they might have been, but with the quick and quiet way the Cadets were recently erased from DCI communications, I have to wonder . . .
Makes me wonder how he squirmed his way into DCA and how he stayed in DCA for as long as he did with Cadets2 ? We will probably never know the details of that.
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41 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
I think they’d use the educational model. Not the one I had to do for TSA.
So what is the educational model? What is the one for TSA and how do they differ?
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12 minutes ago, Slingerland said:
Cadets' membership was revoked earlier this year. That was the statement. What more could anyone at the DCI level add to what was all but a foregone conclusion 6 months ago.
Its what is done in the corporate world . They hope to lower the damages at trial by demonstrating to the courts that they separated themselves from the employee that instigated the lawsuit. In this case DCI separates itself from The Cadets demonstrating to the courts that they are no long affiliated with The Cadets and no longer condone that behavior and hope to get off with a slap on the wrist.
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11 minutes ago, waliman4444 said:
The Cadets(RIP) will ultimately be the organization associated with what goes wrong when sexual abuse/perversion etc. goes unreported and normalized..I can only imagine how lucky some feel today that they've escaped detection in other corps where this behavior was also existent..God bless the child..PEACE
So many organizations have had their fair share of perverts in leadership capacities. Hopkins and Vogt were both Authority figures the same as any of these other staff members that have been accused/convicted of misconduct and sexual perversion with minors but you gotta admit being in the director's seat and carrying as much weight,clout and light that was shown on them as they had sure made The Cadets that Corps that will ultimately be associated with what goes wrong with sexual abuse/perversion. No iff ands or butts about it.
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10 minutes ago, drumcorpsfever said:
I don’t like the way this is written. The press release makes it sound like the Cadets are the victims.
Sad.
I mean at this point for them what does it matter really? They are bitter and sour and taking their ball and going home and at this point really don't care one way or the other who they offend. Its done and over for them and they are not coming back from it.
One would think they would consider the victims in this and consider the future they have professionally moving forward with other organizations but in the moment that does not always translate when you are so passionate about what you have spent years pouring your life into to. Perhaps that was not the intent but it is what it is I suppose.
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On 4/2/2024 at 9:14 AM, Terri Schehr said:
Are the all-age corps required to have the same background checks as the other DCI corps?
How about the alumni corps who are doing exhibitions at DCI shows? I ask because a lifetime sex offender almost slipped under the radar performing at DCI shows AFTER the Nadolny series of articles. Someone saw him and reported it to the Cavaliers organization and they removed him from the group. Midwest Connection, an alumni group.These procedures take a good amount of time. I had two background checks recently for TSA precheck and a purchase. Six weeks minimum. I passed, btw.
i hope DCI hasn’t dropped the ball again considering that they have two lawsuits pending against them for abuse.
Sex offenders yes. I understand. But how deep are they diving into these background checks? Are they excluding people from the activity with say non violent felonies such as tax evasion? Low level drug offenses ?
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16 hours ago, keystone3ply said:
GH getting some 'shout outs' on the social media comments. Glad some folks still realize his contributions to this situation. 😡
He is named specifically on line 36 of the Complainant Westenberger Lynn Vs The Garfield Cadets. At least the amended version. I have read other versions where its on different lines. But you get the point. He is named specifically. I would post a link but I doubt it would stay up for long. Google is your friend here.
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I think most people see these top units in the public eye . SCV , CADETS [INSERT NAME]
And think because of the polished appearance on the field, the flashy costuming and they large amount of field presence in terms of personnel, props and amplification that they have it together behind the scenes.
Truth be told many of them [most] of them are holding on by a thread , thrown together in a blender and if examined under a microscope would be jailed and fined tomorrow.
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1 minute ago, TenHut said:
Come-on now. Blaming Hoppy? Really?
Yes, he was the Catalyst
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1 hour ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
Hey now my thread was first go away DCP News 😆
Maybe not
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11 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said:
I was told that one top corps is only doing 12 shows this year.
The G7 Vision coming to life ?
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On 9/6/2023 at 4:36 PM, JimF-LowBari said:
One of the things DCI/DCA have to work on in their publicity. Seeing corps like Governaires doing an entertaining show within their smaller numbers is another facet of drum corps. Time to get rid of the “if you’re not full sized then you’re nothing” crap.
While I totally agree with you... you are never going to get people to change their way in thinking on this.
Even at the DCI level you have lot watchers that don't even make it into the gates till the top 5 units hit the field or till their unit hits the field. The years I was at DCA I saw a bunch of this as well at finals.
Steve Rondinaro and Dennis Delucia were guilty of trumping up the top 5 Corps when the shows were on at the theaters big time. The way they would phrase it was that there was a clear level of execution difference when you reach that top 5 Corps. I heard them say this time and time again. While I tend to agree with their analysis that there IS a level of execution difference in those top 5 corps over the other competing units (and the scores reflected it) it also served to speak down to the lower units to say your not deserving and to the fans to say those units are not worth watching.
So in the end. It is what it is.
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On 9/3/2023 at 8:00 AM, cixelsyd said:
Not to mention the totally unprofessional treatment the alumni show is getting. I could not believe that announcer yesterday basically saying on his way out "oh, I forgot, there is an alumni show tomorrow, and I am only telling you that much because numerous people complained". He could not even tell us who would be performing - probably neither knows nor cares.
Let me Guess. His last name starts with a A ?
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2 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
i've been to DCA prelims where the crowd was small for the smaller corps way too many times. it's just the activity as a whole...same thing you see in DCI.
look at college football....does D3 get massive tv exposure? Nope. But even bad FBS schools get big tv exposure because "they're big"
Not sure your example is very good. Fans going to a D3 school Pretty much know what to Expect and are going to root for their school, kids and homers. They are going to get into the hype of the the pomp and circumstance of the game no matter how bad the football is because they know what they are buying into when they walk through the gate. . Its not like you have Some of the TOP SEC or PAC12 Fans dropping in on a random game on a Saturday morning at a D3 school saying lets go wander in here and check out these guys and see what this is all about.
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2 hours ago, burdettsky said:
I'm 47 years old, and I am quite certain that more were older than me than younger.
Honestly speaking, I felt a little bad for the performers. Not necessarily for the size of the crowd, as finals had a lot more people there than last year, but the lack of applause moments. There were some moments from some of the drumlines for example where some serious stuff was being played, and I almost felt wrong for being the only one clapping. I think the age is too high for some to appreciate what exactly is being presented. Not a dig, just an observation, I appreciated it.
I am excited for the Indy venture. I think there are more pros than cons, and wish everyone luck in making it a success. I'm more excited at the prospect of a few northeast shows where you get 5 or 6 DCI Open Class corps with a helping of 5 or 6 DCA corps. I think that potential is exciting!
I think Indy years ago had the potential to be a great thing for DCA and DCA finals when you had corps like Empire Statesmen, Renegades Kilties and Cadets2 , just to name a few off the top of my head . Next year you are going to have what????? Maybe 4 units that are really competitive at the top? DCI fans are going to go to this show for the first time because they have nothing else to do and buy a ticket and see this as a reflection of what DCI All Age is suppose to be and get completely turned off by it. Understanding of Course what the DCI audience is use to by this point in the season. A good many of them have been to several shows by this point in the season. Seen many of the units on the big screen. Followed them extensively. Full and complete shows and many participants on the field. When they see some of the starting line ups with maybe 50 members on the field early on they may not even stick around till Cabs or Buccs hit the field.
I don't want that to be a knock on some of the lower tier units but its just a harsh reality and reasonable expectation of what fans will typically encounter.
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2 hours ago, burdettsky said:
. I think the age is too high for some to appreciate what exactly is being presented.
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Here lies the problem with what is being presented today. Too much of the programming is being written for a judging panel and NOT for the audience members. Band Directors and designers of these shows are writing this material to play to the judging panel and to the sheets. Its a one upmans every season to see how can create a more complex and bizzaro show that plays to these sheets that they have left the popcorn eaters in the stands out. So you are left with the golf clappers and lost your core audience. The mothers and fathers and family members of the kids marching the shows and a few people that are willing to stick around the circuit no matter what.
Someone said it best. If you can't leave the stadium humming it or tapping your toes to it when you leave. It was probably garbage. You just don't have shows like that anymore.
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
And in DCA fashion setting up retreat takes a week. Same chaos right to the end
I'll bet all the yapping and sober stories at retreat taxed the nerves of the bean counters and curfew police too !
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18 hours ago, kevingamin said:
We've seen what SoundSport, DCI Open Class corps, competitive marching bands, and indoor units can do with a weekend only schedule. All-age corps can take the lessons which led to the success of these groups and apply them. Groups not from the northeastern United States now have a chance to build and improve. If you saw Minnesota Brass at SoundSport in Indy, they provided an example of what is possible in the new DCA paradigm starting next year.
SoundSport has gained a LOT of ground on the units outside the NE. I am not sure how the units that have made the move will feel about coming to DCI All Age. Alot will depend on how the changes really are. Who is really running? Will DCI really have full operational control over everything? And if its really a departure from the Same ole Same ole its a NE activity BS we have all heard from year to year. Probably a wait and see approach by many on the outside looking in to see if there are some real changes. Or if its just more of the same BS dressed up in a new costume.
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On 8/16/2023 at 12:54 PM, BigW said:
Some of those demises were self-inflicted. Others were not.
Part of the problem is the historical nature of how DCA basically was self-serving towards its members, and it was extremely difficult to crack the inner sanctum. There were plenty of corps around. Many were simply expendable. Now, there's basically no one left to expend. The corps need to be exceptionally aware of what they do as a whole for DCA and not just what is self-serving. Otherwise, it'll be 2-3 corps looking around and wondering what the hades happened.
Wow you have eloquently summed up in a single paragraph what many of us have been saying for years here. Very well said sir.
Only thing I might add is I think I think they are pretty much there. Just maybe 7 or 8 units looking around wondering what the hades happened. Because those corps that they thought were expendable? They were NOT expendable. They were very much needed and now they are no longer around.
I saw some idiot posting on one of the social media pages that the thought this was some sort of 2 year buy out agreement with DCI and in 2 years it was going to be business as usual for DCA. I sorta laughed because as much as I said "boy that is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of" It would be just like DCA to let DCI come in and clean things up and go right back to doing things as usual and bring championships right back to Rochester and hold them again on Labor day and say well that did not work. LOL
Might have to refer back to this post again in two years if DCA jumps the shark and does the stupid thing (AGIAN) and goes back to Rochester after DCI bails them out. LOL
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On 6/8/2023 at 10:36 PM, Jeff Ream said:
i long said the regions needed to be built too. but i do think the units will be more resilient than you think for at least a few years
To me it feels a lot like what they (DCA) is doing is filing Chapter 13 VS Chapter 7 . They are admitting they finally need help but don't want to Liquidate completely. So they are hiring the "courts" in the case DCI to step in and "control" their assets for them and tell them how they are going to spend their money, manage their money and pay off their debts. for the next XXXX years. There may be a plan in place where DCA can take it back over completely if they can show solvency and get back on track. There may not. No one has really said at the DCA level. Or DCI may hold onto it forever.
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On 7/14/2023 at 4:40 PM, Big Govie-ment said:
Hi there! This is the semi-official DCP profile of the Govenaires DBC. I'm on staff, but not part of any executive leadership, so this may be subject to change. Here's my two cents:
- The current understanding is that DCI All-Age Prelims will take place early Friday at Lucas Oil Stadium, followed by Finals early Saturday at Lucas Oil Stadium ... each event prior to World Class Semis and Finals.
- If we're on the same page about tour fees, I personally don't believe this will have much of an impact. This season, we are doing three regional DCI shows (2 in MN, 1 in WI), as well as our home show St. Peter prior to DCA Finals in New York. Next season will likely be something similar, with finals in Indy during mid-August vs. finishing our season on Labor Day.
- We generally strive to keep membership dues in our corps low (this year is at $400). We have several different streams of revenue that make this possible.
Not sure if this fully answers your question. Let me know.
Thanks!
I would imagine the early times are in order to get the stadiums security adequate time to clear the stadium in order to clear the building in order for the nights show.
I would think most of the competing units that are NOT use to travel such as yourself will have to have some sort of adjusted break down with the membership dues to reflect the cost of travel. I would think a fair and modest amount will be in the range of $300-$400 more per member for most of those units that have not been burdened by travel in the past. THAT or find some sort of outside revenue streams such as fundraising , donations or pursuing grants that they have not otherwise utilized in the past.
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On 6/5/2023 at 10:21 AM, Fran Haring said:
IMO Annapolis might have been the high-water mark for DCA, in terms of being at a top-shelf venue in a great city and big combined market (Annapolis/ DC/Baltimore). And major airports nearby.
Yes, it was expensive for DCA to be there... but, and hindsight is always 20/20, I think it might have been DCA's last, best opportunity to grab a bigger slice of the pie, so to speak.
Exactly what I said at the time. You have to spend money to expand the regions. They basically "tested" the waters with Annapolis and went back to bidness as usual without even realistic options.
People keep talking about this DCI All Age Activity at the Oil Can but i doubt by the time it rolls around there will be enough units left to make a go of it.
Cadets and bankruptcy
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Nailed it!
Sad part is I feel certain Hopkins has a bunch of sock puppet accounts and uses them to glorify himself on these social media sites and forums and he has lackeys that do his bidding for him that think just because of the creativity he created that THAT is what they believed in and followed is WHY they want to follow him into the hounds of hell.