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Just curious, what brass line are you using and what key? Sounds exciting.
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Wow....New Corps, new instruments, new unis.......that's exciting news!! Congrats and Good Luck!!!
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To the OP,
All sarcasm aside (and there seems to be a lot of it), thanks for posting. Defintely interesting, funny, and entertaining.
For some of us on the "outside", it is a treat to see some of these guys in a casual atmosphere, telling stories, and doing
a little drummin'. Not all of us got to hang out on tour with these guys, and while the "mystique" may have worn off
for you long ago, the magic of this activity and those involved is still there for some of us.
Again, thanks!
Ditto.
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That little concentric-circle "clock-wind" thingie the percussion does is unique. Plus, IMHO, stateside visual mavens should take note of the thrilling, fast-paced feets of the Brits.
I believe that was supposed to be a safe being opened.....It was pretty cool.
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So I was recently at the Lewisburg show and I decided to bring along a relative of mine to show them what this activity was that I enjoyed so much.
This person has seen another drum corps show that I took them to a few years ago, but is definitely not a drum corps expert. Outside of marching band halftimes this person rarely sees the marching arts, but is a big supporter of music in general. I did my best to explain the basics of the drum corps medium to them. So I would say that this review is from the eyes and ears of a general person who doesn't know the sheets, but does know what entertains them. I thought it was interesting enough to include here. This is my paraphrasing of what our conversation was after the show had concluded. Again this is not my review but rather that of someone else to give an outsiders perspective.
Bushwackers - They are small, but I can see what they are doing. I think their show would sound better if they had more people. They have a very interesting show and I get the concept.
Hurricanes - Deep sound with some interesting music. Very colorful presentation. Interesting idea for a show although a little harder to follow and it doesn't flow like some of the other shows. Not the best "high points" as compared to the other corps.
Empire Statesmen - Oh my goodness! Loved the entertainment value. The story was awesome to follow which made the show much more enjoyable. Familiar music with a lot of big impact and wow moments. Colors were very nice although the "flags" (color guard) could have been better. Very fun to watch.
Buccaneers - A very nice program, however noticed a few drops from the "flags" (color guard) that took away from some of the high moments. Good sound overall and the marching was very good. Show flowed fairly well but didn't tell as good of a "story" as Empire.
Caballeros - Loved the mask ideas and the color change in the "flags" at the end. Interesting concept of a show, using different masks throughout the show and different sounds and tempos throughout. Marching wasn't as good as some of the others. Extremely big sound and beautiful solo.
Their prediction of the outcome
1. Empire
2. Cabs
3. Bucs
4. Hurcs
5. Bush
Again leave the flames at home, these are not my thoughts but I thought it was interesting to see what the "general public" would think about the shows this year. Good luck to everyone the rest of the way.
Interesting review. Thanks for sharing! It reminds me of the night I brought a (non drum corps) friend to a DCI show at Giant's Stadium. He laughed so much during Velvet Knight's performance and ,not surprisingly, told me VK was his favorite group. A few years ago, I brought another friend to a show who is a mariner by trade who was wowed by Cavaliers. After they were done performing he said, " That group looks like they are professionals". It was the year that Cavies did that "robot" show. 2006?
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A Judge does have a serious issue when dealing with crowd reaction. It primarily manifests itself at band shows. You can usually smell it a mile away when the band turns around and all of a sudden, a patch of people who were dormant for the last hour and a half hit the cowbells and go potty. THAT has been one of the reasons judges of late are utterly fearful of letting a crowd reaction become a serious issue with their final determination. It's hard to tell sometimes who are homers and whether the reaction is genuine.
1982 Grand Prix, the Meadowlands:
Westshore took the field and the instant we were announced, 5-6k of fans, mostly for Sky and hoping we broke our unbeaten streak, booed their arses off. Should THAT have affected the show's end result, in that we won regardless of whether the crowd was instantly hostile no matter what the hell we did?
That's the big issue. Who knows how many plants are in that audience to affect the reactions? You really need to be listening and paying more attention to the show, not trying to constantly gauge if reactions are genuine or fake. Is one or more of the corps performing in a home turf situation? That can also make a difference, too. I worked for a band director who coached his parents on when to react during the show. It was subtle. It made a difference.
A couple of years ago, I staffed a band and tried a little trick when they performed at Championhips. I sat in the stands looking like any guy or typical Band Dad, not looking like a staff member behind most of the crowd on the 48. When there was something that happened that was well-done and an appropriate moment, I started to applaud. A LOT of the audience went along like sheep. It certainly helped the kids a ton with their confidence and performance. What's not to say a DCA corps can't have plants in the audience to drive crowd reactions as well? I've done it! It's not hard to do! For all I know, if the right person reads this, you can thank me for the idea later!
Sometimes, it's obvious whether the crowd reactions are genuine, and it should be noted accordingly. It DOES happen.
On the other hand, sometimes the crowd sits on their hands for a great moment (particularly in band if a band did not bring their 48979376 parents and cowbells because it was a long trip). Should I dock that band or corps because they're in front of people who obviously don't care one whit about anything but their own people and don't know how to appreciate a daggone thing beyond their kids or corps and don't care to?
Judges have to be fair, they have to read a crowd, and act accordingly. And really, the judge should have as their primary goal and focus watching and listening the show itself and what's actually going on in the performance itself rather than trying to constantly gauge a crowd reaction for its sincerity. To do otherwise isn't what they're paid or being truly asked to do from the member corps.
Nice post.....enjoyed reading it.
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Maybe this will help? Here is a link to the Drum Corps Hall of Fame Museum in Brooklyn,NY
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I am reducing the price to $100 for each and the prices are firm. See Descriptions and Pics below. I can ship to anywhere in the 48 States ($30) or you can inspect/pick up at DCA Finals in Rochester or at my home in Bellerose, NY.
G Baritone:
DEG Dynasty USA Baritone in Key of G . Full, rich sound. 2 Valves (work great/slide perfectly). Minor dings/dents (see pics). Nice shine (chrome plated). It’s only missing the pinky ring near the valves. Plays perfectly (no leaks). Approximately 24” x 12”. Does not include case or mouthpiece.
Bb Baritone:
Couesnon Baritone/Euphonium Made in France (Paris). Key of Bb. Plays very well without any leaks. Valves slide/work perfectly. A couple of braces need to be soldered. The 3rd valve cap is broken….needs to be replaced or repaired. You have to hold in the 3rd valve to play it (until you replace the 3rd valve cap).
Approximately 25” high x 11” wide
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Umm... right...
Anyway, back on topic, here is the final update before we head to championships next week
I see that you listed a score for Renegades for 8/29 at Morgan Hill, Ca. What show is this? I don't see it listed on the DCA show schedule; I only see Bridgeport and Reading.
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Couesnon Baritone: Made in France (1964/Paris). Key of Bb. Valves work/slide perfectly. Plays very well without any leaks. A couple of braces need to be soldered. The 3rd valve cap is broken….needs to be replaced or repaired. You have to hold in the 3rd valve to play it (until you replace the 3rd valve cap).
Approximately 25” high x 11” wide
Asking $175 or make a reasonable offer (by email).
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DEG Dynasty Baritone in Key of G. 2 Valves (work great). Minor dings/dents (see pics). Nice shine (chrome plated). It’s only missing the pinky ring near the valves. Plays perfectly.....full rich sound (no leaks). Approximately 24” x 12”. Does not include case or mouthpiece. I think the tuning slide may be aftermarket and sticks.
I will be at DCA Finals weekend and can deliver the bari there. Or you can inspect/pick-up at my home. I live in Bellerose, NY. I can also ship ( you pay shipping).
Contact Rob: cadetrob@yahoo.com
Asking $225 or make reasonable offers (by email).
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Blue Devils..........The corps is a mean machine. The corps is extremely talented and I was blown away by the music program (especially the brass....they gave me chills) but they reminded me of the Blue Devil of the 80's; It seemed they slowed the drill down or parked it every time demand would be put on the brass players. And just not enough field coverage. IMO, they far exceed everyone musically but they do it at a cost of sacrificing drill.
Carolina Crown.......... I like the show very much but, Crown, get your own identity. I felt like I was watching a show designed by a Cadets staff.
Holy Name Cadets..........Not very innovative but an awesome, pure drum corps show where marching meets music in a dizzying display. How can you not love watching the 1984 Garfield Cadets on steroids? I'll give you some slack because it IS an anniversary year but I hope you push the creative bar next year.
The Cavaliers..........The Cavaliers are the Ying to the Blue Devils', Yang. They are a marching and visual machine but sacrifice the music. Their drill is one of a kind.
Santa Clara Vanguard.......... I think this might be my favorite show this year. It is perfect .......it is beautiful. Only one negative comment: It looks and sounds very familiar.
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I'm so ###### I just bought my tix today.....these are just the kind of seats I was looking for
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Hi Matt/Slicer,
Thanks much but I already bought my tix. And don't worry, it wasn't from one of your thread stealers :-)
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I have a couple for each night too! Email me at mr2857@aol.com
I sent you an email.....thanks, Rob
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Saturday tickets are sold!
I've still got 4 for Friday (unless Zack commits to two).
I've also still got the extra hotel room for Friday night.
Any chance you still have the Friday night tickets? If so, I would take 2. Thanks, Rob
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Did Empire win horns in 06? If they didnt, Im shocked, I thought it was a great hornline. I love that show.
One of our better guard years too.
The brass and guard trophy went to the Bushwackers in 2006........that puts a nail in the OP's "Bucs dominating" theory. :-)
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Don't wait for the spring when everyone else will be looking for rv's.
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God Bless You!
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1. Hurricanes - umm Michael Klesch? Huge addition to best visual and improving perc
2. Minn Brass - class of the Midwest, good programming choices
3. Buccaneers - years of substandard guard program will catch up to tem
4. Cabs - is Jeff Nagmian juding championships?
5. Bushwackers - need to be more competitive in JuneJuly and not just fill holes all Summer. Best closers in the game though.
6. Empire - yet another mismash of a show will yield mixed results
7. Corps Vets - on their way up. New horns and good show choice.
8. Brigadiers - staff gets weaker each year. No more Downey, Lee, Glyde no more championships
9. Renegades - the have steadfastly refused to improve their weaknesses. Kudos to them for blind loyalty
10. Alliance - maybe the 3rd best drumline of all (behind Mn & Reading)
I thought your observations, not necessarily your predictions, were pretty much spot on.
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Tacos+ Chris or myself= the next day whomever stands by us+
+no slugsI'll never forget the time in horn arc that you farted 1/8 notes as we were playing. C u tomorrow.
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Definitely one of my all time favorite dc shows! You left the show whistling the melodies and remembering the driving drum line, the rich harmonies, the energy, and the passion. When you thought there was nothing else they could give, the corps would turn around and give another level more. I even had the honor of watching their final run-through before finals. Pure Drum and Bugle Corps.
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We had 84 brass that year but in the opener (opening sets) the guard joined the line to make 96 brass.
Here is some more trivia:
We had clarinets on the field that year.
The concert arc in the closer was (if I remember correctly) a sort of protest/statement to a corps who was stuck in the past :-)
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I bought this RV used 2 years ago and have put a lot of care and upgrades into it and I’m only selling it because I am starting a business and need more capital. In fact, it returned from a 700 mile trip last Labor Day weekend (DCA Finals). Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Contact Rob at cadetrob@yahoo.com Serious buyers/inquiries only please. Asking $17,500 or best offer.
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Cadets Uniform
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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According to a Garfield Cadets alumnus: "In order to compliment this year's Angels in the Architecture 'concept', the Cadets will have 1/2 the corps in RED uniforms/costumes and the other 1/2 in WHITE uniforms/costumes......."
I think it is a sad mistake. The corps might as well get rid of the corps name and logo and call themselves something like, "Allentown Keystone Sound".