DrumCorpsLives
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As I sit out for most of the season *grr* I'm watching a potential neck-and-neck between CV and MCL heat up.
What happens here? Does CV standout in direct competition, or does MCL pull off a win in Jacksonville on Sunday? How close will this one be - or not at all?
Needless to say I'll be watching this one closely tomorrow.
I'd like to hear from those who have seen either groups.
CV 77.
MCL 67.
Tho somewhere they say MCL's score was jacked, still, ya got an answer of some sort.
Btw, everyone notice CV ditched their cool short visually-induced, sound-attenuating snares and tenors (i.e. they looked different so they must not have volume) from years past for clean new Yamahamer's?
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I could barely hear them in 2005 when I was watching your line in the lot, I could barely hear them on that video. I'm not assuming anything, I have been there to experience it. Not assume.
It's simple physics really. You remove a vibrating mass you lose depth, projection, resonance, and sustain.
Aaaah, check again. You just confirmed your prejudices.
The vibrating mass wasn't removed, it's shape/position and design has changed. You didn't really look at the drums did you? I looked at them close up.
Also note that the vid is just a camp video. Even so, you can watch and listen to any recording of any corps and the tenors don't cut through when the entire corps plays.
--sorry for going off topic.
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Not exactly. A concert Bb is fingered open on a Bb horn. On a G bugle it's fingered 2nd or 2nd and 3rd for a minor 3rd above the tuning note. Not only do you have the extra minor 3rd tubing of the G horn, but you also have the length of the tubing for the valve(s). It's the same note, but you're on different partials. Unless of course you play the open Bb with 2nd and 3rd on the Bb horn to have equal lengths of tubing. Assuming it's played 2nd valve on the G bugle.
In the old days the G bugles were more conical and had larger bores. Not to mention thicker metals/plates and more tubing in general. But these days, the marching Bb brass have been redesigned to have similar traits. So the difference isn't what it once was. But there is still a difference.
Umm, your description of length of horn for a given pitch is confusing.
For a given pitch, regardless of sop or trumpet, it has to be the same length of tubing. So a concert Bb on either horn will go thru the same length of tubing to attain the same frequency (pitch). Does that fit with what you're saying? I think you've got a mistake there.
Regarding old G's being more conical, I don't think so; at least with my horns. I've got a bunch of circa '80's, '70's and '60's bugles as well as brand new bugles and there's no distinguishable difference. Maybe have to get the calipers out to really check. But all are cylindrical tubing up to the valves and then conical after the valves.
Not sure about your thicker metal for G's. That seems odd, but don't have time to check that.
And you're right on some of today's marching brass, some Kanstul trumpets seem to be much more conical with more bell flare than other trumpets.
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Man this show is gonna rock!!! I can't wait to put on the uniform next week!!! b**bs
p.s.-don't assume that you can't hear the tenors because they look funny. I'm sick of hearing that... <**>
Cool vid. You guys really do keep improving.
Btw, what? You can't hear with your eyes? Lots of people do that. But most sensory transplantation has been smelling with the eyes. Altough hearing with the eyes is becoming more and more popular.
If it looks different. And it looks like it can't possibly be loud, therefore it is not loud. Yeah, that's logic.
Oooo, it's new, it's different, hunt it down and kill it. Same thing with anykey horns, kevlar heads, 2 valve horns, 3 valve horns, split shell snares, multi-tenors, tri-toms, quads, quints, grounded tymps, guards doing dance, etc.
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I know a guy that had nearly double that in engineering courses; took several a few times. I'd classify him as not-smart.
Btw, I know who voted for what.
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I posted in another thread, but the extra time during warm-up will be great! Now corps can do a 13-15 minute show! (they just better record the entire thing for the cd's/dvd's and not just the judged part).
Re: electronics: it's really a waste of money. Thus far I've not heard anything creative to justify it. It just makes the pit too loud.
Re: 150... just a stepping stone. You need to have unlimited membership to adequately put saxes, clarinets, etc. on the field. Plus for any key horns you gotta have over 70 horns to be as loud as a 64 man g-line.
Still I'll love seeing 80+ horns on the field with 20+ perc and 40+ guard.
The bad: it will only be the richest corps. And some poorer corps will go for it and lose money and fold up trying to keep up with the new state of the art. That'll be sad.
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The extended warm-up will be cool. Now corps can effectively do a 13-15 minute show.
Wonder if that'll affect the cd's/dvd's any? They better record the corps entire performance and not just the part that's judged.
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Someday soon they'll open up the rules on the amplification thing and adjust the sheets so you can put all the members that play instruments in the pit. Since all instruments will be amp'd you won't need but 20 or so musicians.
Then you'll have over 110 dancers/visual performers on the field, none of which will play any kind of instrument; they'll do just flag, rifle, dance drill, etc.
Call it "Drum Corps Theater".
Imagine the possibilities!
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This is the problem.
$$$
It is about $$$ and $$$ only. It most certainly is not about drum corps.
Yup, without the $$$$$$, you can't do this stuff.
Not familiar with the Generals, but I didn't see you on the DCA site or on the corpsreps. Seems like you all haven't done DCA prelims yet.
Surprising considering your strong words. Sorry, it seems you're arguing about something taken away from you that you actually never had. But I see.
No one has mentioned this, least I hadn't seen it, you can always cut your size down to do mini-corps. Or team up with someone else to do DCA prelims given the new rules.
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I like the new rules.
As a fan, really small corps don't do it for me. Some may be awesome, like Future Corps was, but then even they don't put it on a football field. Their venue is small. Common sense.
Renerule = publicity. 'nuff said there
More $ to top ten = a touch smaller share point and a little less to non-top ten. Remember, the top ten are the ones that extended sharepoints to all. Ooo those evil top ten corps. So mean and exclusive!
Logic:
11 man corps arrives in two cars and a van, does a show earns a sharepoint;
128 man corps arrives in 3 buses, 2 semis and a souvie truck, does a show earns exactly the same sharepoint.
Hmmm. I think I da changed the rule too.
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As someone mentioned in the other thread on this stuff, if you're really concerned about this contact corps directors or DCA directly.
Ya done that? I'm bettin not.
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WOW! You've got to be kidding me?!
Camel Ed posted something positive about drum corps, even started a whole thread and it was positive about DCA even. Great work!!
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If you have any questions about DCA rules why not ask your Corps director or a director of a corps that was there. It really was a weekend to furthur Drum Corps.
Absolutely Brilliant!!!! Just plain brilliant!
Yup, common sense is still an uncommon virtue, particularly on public forums. Love the draaaaammmmmma!
It really was a weekend to furthur Drum Corps.I've heard that too. I believe the folks running things aren't diabolical, evil people; nor are they idiots. Actually, they may be crazy because of the public lashing they get for any decision!
On the corps size topic, someone posted somewhere (I think) or I heard it somewhere that at the meeting the member corps kept asking the very few Class A corps in attendance what their thoughts were. Apparently they didn't say a whole lot. Ya gotta attend and ya gotta speak up. After the fact may be too late. Just sayin'.
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No I don't wash away anyones accomplishment.
Ah, but you did.
WEll I have to disagree with you totally there for all the obvious reasons that have been told time and time again in this thread.ITS A BAD RULEIt's a good rule. Just because your "obvious" reasons are repeated over and over don't make it a bad rule.
You easily forget where, by far, most of the money and most of the fans are in DCA. No, it's not the South or the West.
No matter what you say, it doesn't make sense to have all these voters from all over the place.
You make it worse when northern corps read your posts, because based on your mindset you'd have all these non-NE corps ready to take over and do drastic things like move all the shows and championships to places where there's no fans and no money, essentially elimanting the income that all the competing corps benefit from.
Your view is just too narrow; you aren't looking at the big picture.
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Yeah, but think about it. They have taken away the incentive to do DCA shows. A corps from outside the NE shooting for DCA's top ten can do one DCA show in August, and then stay close to home and do DCI shows the rest of the summer for all they care.
DCA corps don't get an automatic place in DCI shows; it's not that easy. I think Gulf coast or was it Bayou CIty had some interesting experiences in that regard. Something about standing in the tunnel to go perform and then being told to leave. Ask other DCA corps; I don't think it's that easy getting into DCI shows.
Besides I don't htink it'd be that great only doing exhibitions with no competition most of the time. Not usually what most members join up for.
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Here is what I think the voting block has done by voting in this proposal.
They have taken away any incentive to do multiple shows.Get your one show in,,go to finals and BOOM your a member.
Wow, just go to finals and you're in! Somehow I don't think it's that easy. I'm thinking lots and lots of corps busted some hump over the years getting good enough for top 10. You sure like to wash away that accomplishment. No respect.
Besides, who in the world would want to rehearse every other weekend all winter/spring long and every weekend in the summer and pay $300, $500 or $1000 in dues just to perform twice. That's absolutely silly.
Last year one of the corps that this rule potentially effects, dodged lightening bolts in Arnold.They went to the mid west to do two shows with only half the corps on the bus because people could not get off work.They did these extra shows because they had too.All of that extra work just because they wanted to be a member and have a voice at the table.Any corps that works that hard and does that much for this activity
deserves a seat at the table.Alas the voting block didn't feel that way.
Perhaps, but maybe it would have been wiser to not do all that since MCL had all those holes in MCL's. Seems like member's welfare and morale sufferend just due to that.
Even so, great job though. Now there are apparently new rules to which all corps have to work to achieve member status.
Besides, all corps have seats at the table and voices at the meeting don't they? I think they said over 20 corps were represented at the meeting. You just don't have a vote unless you're one of the best! Plus no one took their vote away for this season for which they earned it, did they?
So that means 3 less shows that they HAVE to travel too.3 less shows that they HAVE to fund raise for and 3x times the number of travel hours left over to rehearse with.Who Loses in all of this?
DCA Loses.Less shows =less money.
Actually I think the corps that decides to stay home and never perform or compete is the biggest loser. Can't work your way up if you never perform and never compete.
The fans lose!less shows,,less opportunity to see the corps.And lastly the people marching the shows lose.They lose big time because they don't get time in front of the judges,they don't get time in front of the spectators and they will miss out on lots of fond memories.
DCA lost this weekend.No doubt about it.
Actually I think you need to look at the entire picture. This rule actually encourages growth of DCA by having that one show requirement. It's a good rule. And someone says they made it really easy to get the one show requirement too.
Plus, having only 10 voting members is fine. Those corps bust butt to make it there and to stay there. Arent they the the ones that created Class A and the regions and share money for all? You give no credit and no respect. Amazing.
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2007 DCA Rules Proposals
1.) The Southern corps want Finals down south.
2.) The Western corps want Finals out West.
3.) The Midwest corps want Finals in the Midwest.
Why? There wouldn't be much of a turnout of fans to watch. Not as many corps would or could attend so competition would be down.
All that would equal less $$$$.
Nah, I don't think the West/South/Midwest corps want that. Least not in the very near future.
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You're 19 and a woodwind player that wants to march drum corps.
What's with people today, you would rather change the entire activity to suit you than go thru the effort to adapt to the activity?
Good grief!
If you really want to march drum corps, learn a bugle and do it!! I would say thousands of woodwind players have done that very thing over the last 20, 30, 40 years. Such disrespect to them to demand that drum corps change.
And what about all the woodwinds players in drumlines and color guards!! And as DM's!! Such disrespect to those talented folks and their love of corps.
Last thing that solidifies this whole topic.... Picture this: clarinets to the box!! Or better yet, bass guitar amp pusher to the box!! Ugggh!!
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Awesome for Academy!
C'mon, you all know if they were in Div1 last season they would have been in the top 12! Easy.
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I think it's time to at least begin discussing the option of the non-NE groups leaving DCA
Hmm, where would they perform?
At the six DCA shows not in the northeast? That's a small circuit. But the distance between shows would still be big. FL to TX to MN, etc.
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The new rule seems to encourage regionalization, hence nationalization.
senior corps can't tour so the rule actualy makes sense.
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If there are still college or high school instructors out there that don't like corps and in particular say you lose your chops by marching a corps all summer or you can't play on a G horn all summer and then switch back to Bb and keep up (that still gets me as one of the G to Bb arguments -B.S.)....
just tell them about Al Chez of the Letterman Show (former Cadet) and Chris Martin principal trumpet for the Chicago Symphony (Spirit alum). There are others.
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Each DCA corps has a unique identity. DCI corps have lost that abit. IMO
Go entertainment!! Go DCA!!
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LMAO!!!! Wow they still haven't fixed that yet?!!
Good luck guys! Have a great open house. . . wow its forever from now! lol Nothing like preadvertising :)
Pre-advertising? One CV thread amongst a billion Reenegade posts and ya rag on CV for modest publicity? So this has turned into RDCP. Dang.
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Really? Really?
You are really missing out then. Have you never heard a drum corps hornline in person or a drumline in person or stood in just feet away from a color guard doing their thing?
If you have, you certainly have lost that memory and feeling.
If you haven't, then you ought to.
You've either lost it or never had it. Sure you can see lots from a video, but it's not the same, will never be the same, would never generate the same strong opinions of those that are viewing it live. You can't garner the effect of the sound, intensity, emotion of drum corps in a recording.
It's one thing that can't be bottled up in a recording (audio or A/V). Drum corps live. There is no substitute. There just isn't.
Go to a drum corps show.