ShutUpAndPlayYerGuitar
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Please Please Please Drum Corps Overseer Lords, let this happen!
I sat there watching Madison in Lafayette and had to restrain myself from getting up and going to the restroom and throwing up. The show theme and music were just plain "Offensive." Not "Madison" at all. Gross!
Can you elaborate on what you found "offensive," as well how this isn't "Madison" show? Please.
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Not a fan of discussions that devolve into treating designers/instructors (vast majority of whom are paid peanuts and have second jobs) like professional sports coaches/managers (most of whom are overpaid morons ... well, NFL specifically).
That being said, I like what Madison's staff has done this year. Thought they were in danger of being on the bubble for finals after the turnover, but there definitely seems to be a clear vision across all captions that the members are buying into.
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How many hands do you have?
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I always thought SCV New Era Metropolis was an incredible show - it was just dirty. I have no doubt that if it were clean, it would have at least been 2nd and would likely have competed with Four Corners.
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Looking through that year, 2001, any of the top 4 had shows worthy of a championship. Cavaliers just happened to be the cleanest.
Even Glassmen took 5th that year with an incredible show.
2001 was a great year.
Phantom, Bluecoats, Madison ... 2001 really was a great year. My first major DCI event: a hell of an introduction to the activity.
Cadets and BD both had incredibly solid shows and performances. There was just something missing in each show design.
With Cavies, I feel like 2001 was their dirtiest show during their 2000-2006 reign. I really don't think it was musically up-to-par with BD or Cadets, at least the hornline (some weird entrances and releases). Visually ... well ... that was the year Michael Gaines became one with the Force.
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I think, perhaps (rut roh opinion again), negative comments toward the staff in many cases are borne out of love of the corps. For example, I think they were robbed of a championship in '78, '89, '93. Some corps, you just love what they're about. Phantom is that corps. So now we bring out the narration. And it's just so not them (just a small example). So you state your opinion. And get blasted by a few hyper sensitive borgs and their call to Shut Down The Thread! A reflection of society today perhaps. Instead of debate we shout down the opponent to silence them.
I'm no moderator and I'm sort of enjoying this dumpster fire of a thread, so I could care less if it's closed. That being said ...
This thread has multiple different viewpoints chatting at each other, with no real dialogue going about the show itself. Of the people who don't like the "trend" (if there is one) of sub-par PR show designs, very few of them are giving actual reasons why they don't like the show. The rest of them are saying "this show sucks ... fire someone ... make it like 2008/1989/my favorite year again."
Furthermore, these same people -- a couple may be alumni, but who knows -- are saying some fairly provocative stuff about the organization itself.
You can call people "hyper sensitive borgs" and complain about social ills or whatever anti-PC nonsense all you want, but the below kinds of posts are going to channel some outrage and derail a topic. I have nothing against stating an opinion, but if it's a dumb and unfounded opinion, then that's how discussions turn into flame wars.
Yeah, like an overhaul of the entire organization, starting at the top. It's time for a complete rebuild and a new regime. Except for 2007, 2008 (champion, but .25 isn't exactly a run away),and 2010 (great music and equally great drill; one that was almost to difficult to pull off) it's been a rocky road since, but seems to definitely be on a slippery slope.
^ Calls for an overhaul to an entire organization, as if it's being run by the mob.
Using your logic, we'd end up in Timbuktu.
BAC is just an acronym for Boston area Crusaders. SUTA is for members only, earned through sweat and tears. Only members and alumni have earned the right to use that term and should be the only ones saying it.
^ This is a former volunteer telling the mother of a current member what she can and can't do with some acronym.
Seriously ppl. Admit it. This show is poorly designed. I'd scrap the whole design team and most of the instructors and start over next year.
^ This same former volunteer is saying several dozen people should be fired for committing the cardinal sin of not being top 5.
They can sell as many shirts as they want, at the end of the day, this show is a mess, and it's like the staff had absolutely no desire to put together something that would put them in the top five.
^ Apparently, there is a "No Desire to Compete" school-of-thought toward show design.
Not to urinate in your regiment colored kool-aid.... but, you realize that that's false, right?
That forum failed because it used an increasingly obsolete mode of delivery.
It really had nothing to do with the number of trolls, good posters, or otherwise. Regardless of what any of the proctors of that service tell you, if you don't adapt, you die.
Actually, come to think of it... that forum is a lot like Regiment.
^ Not being in the top 5 makes you obsolete. Got it.
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it came down to 2 things:
Navys stadium has a full time tenant that would like to use their stadium that weekend some times and cost. DCA gets the stadium at Rochester for basically nothing. While attendance in 13 definitely grew from 12, and it appears Rochesters has gone down ( no numbers released in either case), when it comes to the deal the city cuts with DCA, DCA wins in Rochester even if half the world hates the place
I've always wondered if DCA ever released attendance figures, but I guess they don't have to if they don't want to.
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Loads just fine for me. What browser are you using? I'm using Chrome.
Same. Haven't had issues.
Agreement on the redesign being rough. Seems like they held on to the original design way too long (early 00s ... if not earlier). Weren't prepared for HTML5 era.
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Depends.
If the season is going relatively smooth and if there's a few changes thrown in ... absolutely. Since you're mostly cleaning and doing countless reps, almost every change that's taught is a refreshing break from the daily grind. If the staff knows what they're doing, they strategically insert changes/additions as the season progresses. If you're doing it right, it's all about cleaning and having more fun with your show leading up to finals.
If the season is going off the rails, however ... that's a different story.
The show design for my age-out year was a mess, so we had to completely relearn 1/3 of the show. We learned new drill for half our closer in one day ... then had to perform it the following night. The rewrites were effective, but too difficult to perform after only 12-14 hours of rehearsal. We laid a gigantic egg that night and spent the remainder of the season getting it "almost-but-not-quite" clean.
Other parts of the show went through multiple (like 4-5) changes, which is insanely frustrating. Most were easy adjustments, but others were "let's see if this crazy idea sticks to the wall."
There were also certain people on staff who thought we were "soft" and had us do "beatdown" basics sessions late into the season. About a week before finals, some idiot tech had us do some useless beatdown track basics. Didn't apply to the show or "make us better." All it did was #### everyone off, demoralize an already frustrated group, and make the season's end that much better.
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My understanding is that Heartliner was offered an exhibition, but decided to enjoy the town that night and relax and watch the show the next day. Maybe they felt they didn't earn it. I think it disappointed the fans who didn't go to prelims the most.
Back to tonight's show Thunder Brigade is supposed to do the sound sport at 7:15.
If that's the case, then that changes things. Sorry for hijacking a DCI show thread with DCA problems.
Glad to see Thunder Brigade performing. Hoping they can build off this group next year.
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Sorry for the confusion. I meant by letting the first out, perform in a feature spot, i feel it takes away from everyone else who was in finals. And yes, lots of people get up at that point. Because it took forever for them to get scores. International... sure. Fan vote.. sure. Mini corps... yup. first out... no thanks.
Ah crap ... my bad. After reading it again, it makes way more sense.
Yeah, I hope it changes.
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EDIT: I misread a post and went all SJW. My bad.
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This is kinda long , but you see the crowd at DCA prelims. I think that is why he thinks maybe not a good fit. I was there and it wasn't empty, but a stadium that big with maybe 5k for finals looks awfully empty
To be fair, that was very early in DCA prelims.* The stadium filled out a little more as the evening went on.
*I complain about this a lot, but DCA should've given Heartliner the finals night exhibition spot. Instead they gave it to the highest scoring non-finalist group. Such a dumb practice that I wish DCA's show coordinators would stop.
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Is alcohol served at any DCI event?
I think it's up to the host stadium.
I did buy beer at DCI Minnesota two years ago (beer sales at TCF Bank Stadium was a brand new thing and something of a rarity at many college stadiums).
Might be a good idea to check with a facilities contact. I don't think DCI has any special rules.
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Shenandoah Sound is in the area. I thought the venue was great and it was nice to have it close to home at the time...
Biggest problem for my party was the storms and humidity in 2012. First time a drumcorps event has forced one of us to go to the car to keep from getting ill with the humidity ( and we've been to Baton Rouge and Orlando). It was just the weather.
I thought Shenendoah Sound was farther inland, but it looks like they're only an hour away (hope they come back, BTW).
The more I think about it, the more I would like DCA to take another stab at Annapolis. The logistical stuff I mentioned affected the membership, not so much the paying audience. I think a third round would see a lot of improvement.
The weather was pretty horrid in 2012 (don't care what anyone says ... Maryland is "the south"), but Rochester had Hurricane Ernesto in 2006, so it's not like there's any weather advantage.
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wasn't a great fit? The stadium is awesome!
Arent they hosting DCA again this year? How is it nit a good fit?
Moved back to Rochester last year. Going to be there for next couple of years.
I shouldn't have it "wasn't a good fit" (don't drink and post) ... it was a great experience. Tons of parking and warm-up spaces in a scenic campus, and everything was well-maintained. The stadium was magnificent. Annapolis was great host city, too. Plenty of rehearsal spaces and a good overall area. Wouldn't mind having it back there.
The issue (IMO) was more with the region, the immediate area, and how certain events were structured.
- Even though Annapolis is closer to groups like Bucs and Cabs, there's no DCA corps in the immediate area. Hosting this type of show was a brand new experience for the area.
- The I & E competition was originally supposed to be in town (on the waterfront, I think), but it got moved to the stadium and was a logistical mess.
- The full-size stadium was very shallow and ate up a lot of sound, especially from the smaller groups.
A lot of this is nit-picking. Annapolis has a lot more going for it than Rochester, but the City of Rochester goes out of its way to accommodate DCA. More festivities in the city center ... a better sized stadium for the performers and audience ... familiarity with the activity and more hosting experience ...
Annapolis doesn't need DCA. Rochester does. As much as I'd rather go somewhere else (Columbus?) every now and then, there's a reason Rochester keeps hosting.
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When in Rome, kick ###.
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What are we even talking about here? Last time I checked (about 5 mins ago) the corps was ranked in 7th place. While that would seem to suggest that they are not in medal contention this year, is being in the single digits really cause for such doom and gloom? I know a lot of other corps out there that would love to be in such an awful position.
In fact, I think the corps is performing way better than this thread, which has already outlived its life expectancy.
Yeah, but a few keyboard warriors who do nothing for the activity outside of DCP have "higher standards," and any placement outside the top 5 is a fireable offense to them.
#### this thread ... everything from the stupid title to the orgasmic bliss some posters get from bashing an organization and its staff.
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Has Navy-Marine Corps Stadium hosted many DCI shows? I was there for both DCA championships ... wasn't a good fit. Great venue though. Would be a great spot for a regional.
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Absolutely not, but I didn't think the 1999 Scouts were in danger of placing 14th 3 years later either, or even 10th the next year.
I get that, but again ... we're talking about two different organizations under two different leadership groups (operating under two different philosophies).
To be fair, I don't know the PR org as well as Madison's ... so maybe you're on to something. But I'll remain skeptical.
I think the struggle is more with this team trying to find a way to be entertaining AND competitive in modern DCI. If we're being honest, shows today are not what they were even back in '08. I look at what's going on on the field, and I am absolutely amazed at the level of detail that goes into every facet of every second of a show. It seems like this design team is struggling with how to keep the Regiment identity while moving towards this new style of highly detailed concept-driven shows. We once again have a lot of new members on the team this year, so it's not surprising that not everything is gelling. You can see, though, that they are trying a lot of new things, and are trying to break out of the rut they got into over the past few years. Unlike many on here, I have high hopes for the future, and see good things ahead.
Thank you for making this thread suck less.
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Tell that to 2002 Scouts. Just sayin'.
Is PR in danger of placing 14th?
Totally different circumstances.
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Anyone have other corroborating evidence, anecdotal or otherwise?
A friend of mine who's a band director took his students to the Murfreesboro show. The group ended up with some lousy seats at the endzone (I'm guessing due to the sheer number of tickets sold) despite paying decent amount for the student package.
It's a bummer that they didn't get a good show experience, but I suppose it's also a "good problem to have" scenario.
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As a Parent of one of the Surge members, we have MANY questions that are still unanswered. The 501c3 status was part of the problem. They were NOT transparent with members or parents on their financial situation. A major sponsor (to my understanding) pulled out due to the non profit status not being up to date. I do feel that DCI has some part of the responsibility here. However, the lack of a board of directors and not enough accountability enabled the unraveling of the corp. There are things that don't ADD up. Why, knowing they were folding, would they contract a Synth player a day before they folded? This is just one example. To answer the tuition fees. We were asked to pay $1000 in tuition, this had been discounted from $1700 as we did not come until later in the process. Bottom line, these kids and parents were "sold" on their DCI dream coming true. And even though SOMEONE had to be aware of the dire circumstances at the Preview/parent show, nothing was said.
I will say that a good bit of the members have found homes with other corps who have reached out to welcome any member of surge. Raiders, Bushwackers, Racine. I DO appreciate that.
My son however, did not choose to do that. This is just surface information. There is a LOT more that we have learned since Wed.
Our take: make sure to review financials of any corp before committing. Won't happen to us again!
Sorry you and your family went through this. I hope this experience hasn't soured your son's view of the activity in general.
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That is EXACTLY what I was referring to.
I remember when people here were practically BEGGING Academy to go to finals (2004??) because their program was so strong...but the corps' management said they were sticking to their touring plan so as not to put them in a bad financial position.
Just like PC....that plan helped them to solidify things financially so they could exist.
I think a lot of people running startup corps have forgotten the bad old days of touring yourself into oblivion.
I remember griping about corps like PC and Esperanza doing the Regional Division 1 thing, and how they got to sleep in their beds while we were doing drum corps "how it was supposed to be done." I was totally wrong. You work with what you have.
Even though Esperanza is no more (I think they jumped the gun on doing a full tour), PC continues to be a model for operating within your means.
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2015 Rankings (by most recent score)
in DCA - All-Age Corps Discussions
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It's interesting to compare CT's captions scores from Centerville vs Racine. Their brass score actually increased by a tenth at the DCI show, whereas pretty much all the other performance/GE captions took a gigantic hit. Not sure if Isoda is a full-on DCA judge, but he's judged quite a few all-age corps at DCI shows.
The disparity between DCI/DCA panels is a fact of life, though. Either way, a DCA corps that does these shows is getting good information.
http://dcacorps.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/kilties.pdf
http://recaps.competitionsuite.com/b60a30fc-0a46-4440-a789-70a1668ec2d3.htm