Morgoth Bauglir
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Its still not classy.
That may be true, but not relevant. The OP's point was that booing the director and his show design is no different than booing the performers, and that the performers can't tell the difference. The OP is wrong.
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Hopkins or the kids... BIG F'ING DEAL!!!! ITS THE SAME THING.
Are you actually going to tell me that any of those kids knows the difference???? All they know is that they were getting booed, and yes, they were a bit shaken up.
No one in this activity should get booed, PERIOD! If you don't like it, go for a walk. But these kids and these staff's work all summer long to perform for you. If you can't show them the smallest bit of respect, then get the hell out.
And I am beyond frustrated... I am mad as hell!
Quite simply, you're wrong. None of those kids are 3rd graders who can't tell the difference between non-approval for the show and personal insults. They all are in college and stay current with the activity. They know that Hopkins is not generally approved, and that his taste in shows is look on with disdain. If you really think that anyone was booing the kids themselves, or if you think that the kids thought that they were the target of the booing, you're immensely mistaken.
And flammaster is right, none of them are even kids. They are young adults who are quite well versed in the ups and downs of live performance art. They don't need to be coddled like 9 year olds at a elementary band recital.
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They have a 'recent age out' and she's unwatchable.
I don't mean interviews with performers. I mean someone up in the box with Dennis and Steve. Or even get someone who is semi-old but still current like Ralph Hardimon. Someone who knows what they are talking about concerning 200- drum corps and doesn't spend the whole time lamenting the old days passing. Like what I was saying about WGI; there were a number of shows that had a very indoor-influenced feel. And Blue Knights for instance have a very good World Class indoor line. Someone who has stayed current could have pointed these things out. I know the theater I was in had a lot of band/WGI kids. And that stuff would not have been lost on them like talking about the first Z-pull was.
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With some of the things they are saying into those microphones (The Cadets, that is), how could you not expect some of it? The bando-loner guy almost begs for MST3K style commentary.
I'll offer to reimburse that guy's tour fees if says "I should have joined the Blue Devils" in his talking solo at finals :P
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I'm kinda of tired of them letting the opinions seep so much into the broadcast. Especially concerning show types. They don't even try to be subtle about what kind of shows they don't like. Whenever a corps does a modern-esque/dark show they always say stuff like "Well that sure was...interesting. Very dark and hard to follow. It's a big risk playing a show not many people understand or appreciate." And when a corps plays some big-band happy jazz show you get "What an amazing and accessible program! More corps should follow that lead"
If this theater broadcast is going to be permanent, and it looks like it is, I think they should pull a younger guy, like someone who aged out in 200? to give the younger side commentary. I know Steve and Dennis are Greats, and have contributed much to the drum corps community, but I grow weary of hearing how modern drum corps pales in comparison to Muchachos 78 or whatnot. IMO, keep Dennis and Steve, but I'm sure there is someone who aged out recently and is looking to get into the Broadcast Arts career who would love to be on air offering their views. Maybe even someone who also has participated in WGI and is really up to speed on the latest styles and such.
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I don't know about creepy, but there sure were some good lookin guard chicks :) After aging out and being away from corps for a year do Army stuff, I can tell ya, drum corps sure does attract some attractive females.
Sorry if that was offensive. :P
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Actually he didn't say that. You're attempting to transpose his tastes in one genre of music to all forms of music. Why don't you go ahead and let him speak about his views of Young Person's Guide or Peter and the Wolf before you put words in his mouth.
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Just curious iwannamarch, but how old are you?
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Any kind of music can be done well, or done poorly. There is nothing inherent in movie themes that make them un-arrangable by a skilled arranger.
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I don't know why it would be a weird effect, since 95% of the difference in sound is imagined by the listener.
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Not in exact order
Cavies
BD
Cadets
SCV
Phantom
Bluecoats
Madison
Crown
Boston
Crossmen
Glassmen
Spirit
Sorry, Academy and Blue Stars will not be making the top 12 any time soon. A more realistic question will be whether they can actually last the next 10 years at all.
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This year the Cavies are doing a Billy Joel show. There is a lot of talk about them not doing so hot with this show. Others often compare this pre-season to 2004, where apparently everyone said 007 would be an off year for them as well. So let's be honest. What were your thoughts about the 007 show in the pre-season? Were you one of the alleged naysayers? What about this year?
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There is a distinct difference in the way some of the "younger generation" come on this forum and act all superior like there is no way that they would even consider marching a 70's show, and I just simply attribute that to them not knowing much about the history of it. I know not everybody cares about the history of the activity as much as I and some other posters do, that is so obvious, but it is just a point I am making, just as you are making yours. I mean in regards to, do they know the difficulty of the instruments that were played and how hard it was to play on them while high mark timing? And not to mention carrying around tympinis and mallets. God I couldn't even imagine that. I couldn't imagine playing "Crown Imperial" on a rotary valve. To me that aspect of the history blows me away. Imagine if the kid couldn't read a lick of music and was actually taught how to play the horn?
Cause if they did, they would clearly understand that if it wasn't for the past and for people like Marc Sylvester, George Zingali, who marched 70's drill's btw and got their start together with Zingali, then you wouldn't have the wonderful drills of today. Just something to think about.
Oh and you're right, it does go both ways, there are alot of shows of today that just don't "float my boat" and I find extremely boring, but if I were to say that on here like the way the kids come at the other generations, then I'd be some horrible "old person" who marched in the 80's who doesn't get it. Plus I was a music major. No I understand what I like. I know what I don't like and I know how to say it in a respectful manner.
I can respect what somebody is doing but that doesn't mean I necessarily like it.
Obviously I still respect the activity although I don't agree with the changes or I wouldn't care to make donations or sponsor someone.
They also can come on here and show a little more respect for the activity and the history of how it brought them to where they are today. That's all I'm asking. You don't have to like it all, just appreciate how far it's come. I don't think that's too much to ask.
There is FAR more degradation of todays drum corps on this board than other eras. I'm astounded that you really think that it's the younger generations that are the ones acting arrogant and superior. For every 1 thread about how frumpy old uniforms look, there are 10 about how modern uniforms are "cookie cutter". For every thread (if there is even 1) crticizing the instrumentation of older drum corps, there are 10,000 telling younger members that they aren't marching "real drum corps" and that they are just in marching band. Any time music is talked about, people heap the praise on older drum corps for being so much more "accessible" and crowd friendly while simultaneously ripping on modern drum corps for favoring sophistication. Get off your high horse and look in the mirror. Your generation is the one flinging the most crap at modern drum corps on DCP, not younger kids ripping on older drum corps.
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The difference is that McDonald's doesn't go to the 5-star restraunt to tell them how they COULD do the same quality if they wanted to. Sure, there are a lot more McDonadl's restraunts that gross more every year - but that doesn't make them better.
I was content to give the show bands credit, and leave it at that - my problem is when the show band advocates start depriciating corps to valuate their own achievement. Mentioning things like sponsorships, audience attendance, athletecism, etc. These activities are very alike in some ways, and couldn't be more different in others.
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Not on the same page in any area of achievement, huh?
Bigger and better sponsorship, larger attendance numbers, movies, commercials, television appearances, requests to perform in Europe, Asia and Africa, Grambling was specifically asked to perform at the first Super Bowl, May 3, 2003 was declared Grambling Marching Band Day in Denver, and I guess Grambling band plays some jazz because they performed at two jazz festivals in Japan...
You're right. Show bands don't compare to drum corps.
And Jessica Simpson sells out 100,000 person arenas. Does a symphony playing Mozart do that? Nope. So Jessica Simpson must have achieved more than Mozart? Sorry Bari, but how many dumb MTV kids one dupes into watching you is the the measure of success. And I say that as a 23 year old ex MTV kid. Now it's Beethoven all the way.
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see, i thrive on intense-difficult-fast-huge steps-modern drill along with my tuba...
neither of which are in this game.
this would be fun, but only for some. i would rather march in todays DCI
Second. Modern shows and modern corps are the bees knees in my book.
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Would it be easier for a DCI corps to do a show band routine, or could a show band do a top shelf program like PR 06. If you think about it for just a sec, the answer should be obvious. While I have nothing against these show bands, it's LEVELS away from the talent and training it takes to put out a DCI show. I bet the Devils or PR could learn a show band routine in a couple of days, do you really think a show band could ever perform a top shelf DCI program? This is like comparing a local rock band to the Chicago Symphony. I just can't believe the lack of analytical skills in some of these posts comparing achievement. Again ther's nothing wrong with show bands, but they're not on the same page as Drum Corps! IMO, there's a huge cultural gap that is really the issue
And I think that is because drum corps tend to strive for things in addition to entertainment. Clean, in drum corps, is a gaol by itself. So is difficulty. This is not so with show bands. In show bands, the entertainment of the audience is really the only goal. But in drum corps, the members, staffs, judges, and fans demand more than just entertaining shows. They demand clean shows. And they demand clean shows that are still difficult.
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I really don't see the need for 6 people to march around the field for an entire show just to satisfy someone's need to have useless visuals when their musical contribution can be moved into the pit.
It's a shame you feel that way about guards. Visual is just as important as music you know.
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Because of the tick system, a lot of hornlines made the arrangements choppy and staccato to try and beat the system; I'll admit; not that pleasant to listen to, (fortunately, only a few hornlines did that)
So was it a lot or a few?
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They usually have a much larger guard, though it's hard to tell with only half being on the field at any given time.
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Again, it's not whether or not one group can do what the other group can. It's whether the fans and judges of one group are entertained and pleased with what the other can do. I don't see show style fans liking drum corps, or drum corps fans linking show style(as a general rule). And a drum corps performing a show like SCV 99 would get their ### kicked at a HBOTB show because those judges are not looking for the qualities in SCV 99. Likewise a show band would get it's ### kicked at DCI finals because the judges and fans don't really appreciate that kind of show. 2 different products who's styles do not match, whose judged qualities do not match, and who's fans do not match.
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Does anyone else believe the line, start with the cymbals now, bass line is next. Remember that tympani were on field with 4 to 5 guys marching them. How soon is it until the powers that be place 5 bass drums flat on the pit section and get rid of 4 other marching percussionists.
I remember saying something similar to this on other cymbal threads. Any reason given to move the cymbals to the pit can also be used against any other section. 1 pit player with a rack of toms can easily simulate a bass line, and much more ease and clarity. 2 or 3 snare drummers in the pit would be much cleaner than 9 marching on the field. And for that matter, why do the horns march?
Any reason to move the cymbals to the pit equally applies to every other section.
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Whether you choose to believe it or not, a 17 year old high school kid marching in a competitive marching band and maybe a WGI line, is not going to be nearly as attracted by 1981 Suncoast Sound as he is by 2002 Cavaliers. Deny it all you want, but that's just the way things are.
I don't know how to spell this out any more clearly for you. How about this - since you think "legacy fans" today are fans of 1984 and earlier, ponder this. In 2017, fans of 1994 and earlier will be "legacy fans". While we will have lost some legacy fans to death and disinterest, we will have gained at least as many from fans of the 1985-1994 era. They will be just as distanced from the 2017 state-of-the-art as today's legacy fans are from today's state-of-the-art.And in 2017, DCI should focus on attracting the 16-18 year olds of 2017, not the 32 year olds from 2007.
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Also, cymbal lines often provided the "entry-level" position for younger, non- music major enthusiasts to join the activity and often move into other positions in subsequent years as their study and practice allowed their skills and contributions to accumulate over time. This was another benefit of pre-elitist DCI membership.
That wasn't actually the case in recent times. I know it's still that way in high school, but not in drum corps. To make the Crossmen, Glassmen, SCV, Bloo, Spirit, and Colts lines for instance, you had to be there 100% for cymbals. I marched Glassmen and Crossmen, and knew people in those other lines, and I know for a fact that the members of those lines were very committed to cymbals, not just using them as a stepping stone.
The Rose Bowl
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The field definitely looked like hot garbage.