Stryfe Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) This quote from drumcorpswiki.com has made me curious: The members of the Madison Scouts are Venture Scouts. Although they do not continue to participate in traditional scouting activities, they are still "scouts". Is this true, or is it still true? Is there any swearing (Scout Oath) involved, or is it just kind of a token not-really-done-anything-with kind of thing? Edited January 5, 2009 by Stryfe Quote
idontwan2know Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 This quote from drumcorpswiki.com has made me curious:Is this true, or is it still true? Is there any swearing (Scout Oath) involved, or is it just kind of a token not-really-done-anything-with kind of thing? Can't speak for how things are done in Madison, but many corps are/were BSA Venture groups. It's mainly done to gain access to cheap liability insurance for the organization and the members. There is a "Venturer's Oath" but I've never heard of it being taken in a corps. Quote
apsb1b Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 While I am unsure about the Madison scouts in particular there are other corps that are registered as BSA "Venture Scouts" Jersey Surf is one of them.Shenandoah Sound in DCA is also registered as a Venture Crew, most specifically for the younger members, such as myself, because in Venturing a person is still considered a youth member until the age of 21, which fits quite nicely with DCI. Venturing is the co-ed branch of scouting. They do not partake in "typical" scouting activites but they are still scouts. Drum Corps seeing as the Madison Scouts were originally a scout unit I don't see why this is not still the case. I know that units that register themselves as scouting units fall under BSA's insurance, which is most likely why they are doing this. Quote
Stryfe Posted January 5, 2009 Author Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) Can't speak for how things are done in Madison, but many corps are/were BSA Venture groups. It's mainly done to gain access to cheap liability insurance for the organization and the members.There is a "Venturer's Oath" but I've never heard of it being taken in a corps. Ah, interesting... mostly I wondered because of the BSA's controversial stance against letting in people with certain beliefs/lacks thereof/orientations/etc. etc. (not trying to start a political discussion, just saying). If there's no oath involved, then it doesn't come up, so there's no drama, I assume, so that's all for the better. Edited January 5, 2009 by Stryfe Quote
apsb1b Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Right. Being in scouting I realize the questions that is raises with the whole political side of things and scouting's stance on certain things. Since no oath is really taken and they don't really participate in the "typical" scouting activities, there is nothing really said about it since they are registered for the insurance policy. Quote
GreenMachine009 Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Also, the Scout and Venturing Oaths are not oaths of loyalty and fealty sworn with blood, they're more of a promise to live the lifestyle of a Scout. Basically a promise to do as much good in the world for yourself and others as you can. Quote
Shannon98 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 They are venture scouts. It is required for the to be associated or the BSA could sue thew for using the scout name. When Sal was director he had reconnected the Madison scouts to the BSA. If they did not do this they would have to give up their name and symbol. And yes they BSA is the kind of organization that would go after them. Do they have to do all of the oaths and stuff. NO! It does how ever provide medical insurance for all their members while on tour. Which is great for those who don't have insurance. Quote
PCSoprano9702 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 PC is or was Venture, for insurance. And I am certain several people in the organization violated BSA's political leanings. Quote
GGarrett Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 As a "technicality" when I was in the corps, we did indeed have to "join" the BS of A in a capacity that was something along the lines of "Venture Scout" ... I did not know or was aware that they had ever stopped doing that. I received a card and everything. I'll see if i can find it, seeing as how I am indeed one of those insane pack-rats that keeps everything. I WAS Boy Scout in my "real life" anyway... so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to make me some type of "honorary" one when I was a Madison Scout. I don't think the Madison Scouts would in any way ever intend or purposefully disrespect the Boy Scouts of America or infringe on their name, abuse the meaning of being a Boy Scout or simply ignore them in any way just so they could continue to be called the Madison Scouts. Quite the contrary, I'm sure. Quote
Shannon98 Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I WAS Boy Scout in my "real life" anyway... so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to make me some type of "honorary" one when I was a Madison Scout. I don't think the Madison Scouts would in any way ever intend or purposefully disrespect the Boy Scouts of America or infringe on their name, abuse the meaning of being a Boy Scout or simply ignore them in any way just so they could continue to be called the Madison Scouts. Quite the contrary, I'm sure. I believe sometime during the 90's and the early 2000's the Madison Scouts had not followed through with the paper work. So they cut ties with BSA for a while. I don't think it was intentional but it was a time that they were not associating with BSA officially. shannon Quote
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