HockeyDad
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This is not as bad as an indoor drumline I saw at The WGI Nashville regional. The name escapes me right now, but, out of a 7:41 show, the drumline itself only played for 2:31. Thats right, The "guard" that traveled with the line did "most of the talkin". They ended up beating us by like 4 points or somthing stupid. (Finals Scholastic A)
The "it's not as bad as......" is my second favorite response to this type of post. My favorite is the - "oh here we go again - haven't we beaten this to death already?" response. It seems that these replies are generally posted by those who aren't bothered by the narration and don't want it brought up anymore.
Well, some like it, some are neutral, and (it seems to me - my OPINION), most don't like the narration. That reminds me of my third favorite repsonse, the "this is not a true sampling of the thousands of drum corps fans" response, as if there's some untapped mother lode out there (I wish there were..). Awaiting your dismissive replies...
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Uh Brandon - you are stating things as FACT - your wording should be "the show is ruined for me" or "in my opinion it is ruined"
And have you actually seen the program? Curious on that tidbit.
Because they seriously rocked the house last night :)
........in your opinion, of course. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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Wow. :sshh: Best of luck to you and much happiness. Maybe you should coach your kids soccer team?
Ummmm........you missed my point........
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Except on those signs, they spelled "Garfield" correctly.
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This is NOT about the Cadets. This isn't Hating. This isn't being against Evolving (whatever that is). This isn't a criticism of The Kids, or the staff, or the directors, or the moms.
This is why narration bothers me - I find myself turning the volume down when listening to CDs when a narration part comes up, particularly when someone is with me, because I find it EMBARRASSING. It just doesn't pass the giggle test. Trying to sound so serious, then coming off so silly (yowza). I'd rather hear music played so well that it makes me tear up. And I have loved the Cadets since the first time I saw them in 1978 when they weren't making Finals and people had "Where's Garfiled ?" signs in the stands on Finals night. I remember overhearing people talking in admiration that no corps works harder than the Cadets.
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I'm not pro-narration. I am pro-youth and remembering that DCI is a youth activity first and foremost. Protesting is for Congress or politics. Would you protest your childs soccer game because the coach was using a different educational technique? I doubt your child would approve.
If it were your child on the field, would you bash so freely and openly on a t-shirt or on the DCP? I doubt it.
Life is about supporting youth into wonderful people. The Secret is a great read.
I've posted twice in 24 hrs. Yikes. More than last year total I think.....LOL.
Great. Except, nowhere in my post that you quote did I say one word about protesting. Nor did I mention any corps. Is your paranoia showing? BTW, my kid's soccer coach is pretty bad. Maybe I should go get a tee shirt with his picture on it circled with a slash. No, I wouldn't do that, because my kid's coach didn't set out on a crusade to single-handedly substantially change the rules of soccer. THAT would be worth getting upset about.....
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Life will not end because of the Cadets' narration. Didn't after Crown/Boston 04, Cadets/BD 05, Cadets/Crossmen 06. That's all.
Who said life would end? Nobody. Some say they don't like narration. That's all.
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Armchair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen.
And so are borgs, apparently. And lots of them seem to have come out for this thread. So let's see if I understand the condescending orders you have given me:
Don't complain.
Don't say that narration should be eliminated, instead give ideas for how to improve it.
After you berate those of us who don't like narration, I am not to dare answer back. I should go volunteer for a "corp" that doesn't use narration.
Don't forget that the addition of narration was evolutionary in drum corps. To not like it is to be a dinosaur.
Is that about it? Sorry, talking doesn't do it for me. Great musicianship? That does it for me. Darn. There I go again, stating an opinion. I keep forgetting that if I don't like narration, I should leave.
I'm just as tired of the pro-narration crowd jamming their views down my throat as the you are with the anti-narration crowd, so, how about we all give it a rest? And in this thread, it all started with the first post.
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With all of the commentary regarding declining music programs, there are still thousands of HS bands out there that provide what WAS the local corps experience "in the day". Far more kids march and compete nationwide today as compared to the high point of drum corps. For many drum corps IS now seen as the marching/music equivalent to all-state band, or a music camp like Interlochen.
Hey, I went there one summer. I was the worst musician among a lot a of quite amazing kids, so I ain't braggin. Such a small world.......
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Good for you, HD, and for me and the other folks who never blame the trees for hiding the forest. This was a great activity before the bullies ruined it.
Silence isn't golden - silence is yellow.
Thank you, Hup, I believe I've almost never even been acknowledged on this forum, let alone praised (I'm tearing up). It's just frustrating. Another funny thing is when the Borgs respond with, "well, that's not facts, that's just your opinion." Basically, go away and don't come back until you come back with facts. Of course, the Borgs never present any facts of their own. Whatever.
I LOVE drum corps. Always have, always will. WHY does it have to be so hard?!?!?!?!?
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Listen, traveling with 130 other guys does tend to create a bit of a "hockey bag" odor after a while...
Hey, now that's something I have a lot of experience with. Do Your Laundry!!!!! Scouts will be fine.
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Not necessarily.
I, for one, would rather have fewer high-quality and highly competitive corps that perform all over the country, than go back to the day in age when every town had a drum corps but your season consisted of a couple of parades and maybe 3 or 4 shows.
So the higher quality of the handfull of remaining corps outweighs the quantity and exposure to a greater number of people? I am assuming you would agree that 250 corps, of lesser quality (I'll give you that one for sure), by there shear number would reach more people. I don't know. It's an interesting argument. I guess I'm assuming that many corps members have one or both parents who had some involvement in corps themselves. Therefore, less numbers means less potential for future numbers.......kind of a downward spiral. It could be a very long downward spiral, but a spiral nonetheless. Has anyone ever gathered statistics on this (present corps members with parents who marched)? It wouldn't be hard to do. It is kind of sad that there used to be competition to be one of the top 25 corps, and now there aren't even 25 competing in D1. Peace.
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your lame.
Hey - a NASCAR fan!
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Quantity is only one possible measurement of health.
And a pretty darn good one at that.
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It seems real hard to have a discussion on this forum. One person states an opinion, then is immediately and personally attacked. Instead of arguing the merits, people launch into personal attacks. At that point, the thread is in the ditch. This one is just another example. Kind of pointless. I eagerly await your sarcastic responses.
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Well, since Finals will be in a dome forever more, there's no excuse to not hang microphones from the roof to down behind the pit to pick up brass more.
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YOWZA YOWZA YOWZA
Might as well show him everything........
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I have simply said that the opinion of DCP should not be touted around as the opinion of the drum corps populace in general because so many fans completely avoid this site because of people like you who talk down to anyone with a differing opinion.
This has been the one main argument - if you don't like narration, well, you're not representative of the "populace in general." As if there's some huge crowd of drum corps enthusiasts out there somewhere completely unaware of DCP. I don't think so. I think the good folks who come here and voice their opinions are probably a pretty representative sampling of all drum corps fans. There isn't any screening process to enter this site. You don't have to be pro-Cadets or anit-narration or whatever. Therefore, given the randomness of the posters on this site, how can it NOT be representative of drum corps fans? I know you don't want to believe this, because what it means is that, for example, 80 percent of us do not think narration is necessary. The lack of baby throwing enthusiastic responses at Cadets shows is evidence of that. It's not the openly negative or boisterous people or those few who boo (which is very classless) that are like most of us, it's one ones who politely stand at the end of the show, and clap in respect to the effort. But, the volume and enthusiasm isn't there. That is what I see.
BTW, checking your posts, dbc03, I see you doing lots of talking down to those whose views differ from your own. Is it possible that fans that "completely avoid this site" do so because of responses like yours? Peace.
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That says nothing about the drum corps audience as a whole because DCP is not a true random sample of the DCI fan base. If you want a statistically significant poll about what percentage of the DCI audience does not like the Cadets show it would have to be a random sampling of people that are actually at a show.
Yes it does. The "drum corps audience as a whole" is small, in the thousands. Therefore, this is a statistically significant sample.
Also, your logic makes no sense concerning George. He was responding to comments from a poster named George. You have taken it out of context and twisted it to try to make it a shot a George Hopkins.
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George is not George Hopkins so you are placing your blame in the wrong place when you say you are insulted by the show designers or administration. As far as I know George Dixon has no connection to the Cadets at all.
In no way did he imply that he thought "George" was George Hopkins. Geeze.
BTW, looking at the poll results, a statistically significant number of respondants, 80 per cent, appear to feel that narration is not necessary. So, been there, done that on this disagreement?? The numbers tell a different story (no pun intended).
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You know what ?? You are right, that is brilliant.
You are part of an ensemble that plays music, marches and sells a program....with your music and movement, not your mind or your mouth, or your ideas, you are a group of individuals merging as one entinty to provoke and entertain.....dont tell me about your life, I dont want to know, I dont pay to know it, I respect you as I do anyone, but I want to hear your horn, your drum, see your sabre fly, see your lines morph into cirles and feel exhausted over the skill you just showed me on the field. Thats what I want to know about you, not anything else, If I did, I would ask YOU, find out about YOU,not have it forced on me while your music is playing in the background.....Oh, and real life?? Try helping your best friend while she goes for chemo, surgey, recovery, radiation, and the whole nine yards...I want to escape reality, not get forced to confront it.
~G~
Thank you. I wanted to reply, but I can't say it better than you did. Kids in a drum corps is anything but real life. It's an escape from real life for a few magical months. If you want, you can chose to have no idea what's going on in the world - no job, no newspaper, no television, just escape to working on your performance. What a great thing - and, at the same time, not real life at all. I love drum corps because I love the wind music, percussion, guard work. Sorry, I'm not interested in talking over a microphone. I get to hear talking all day every day. Apologists for narration - Why does that make me close minded?? What ever happenned to respecting a differing opinion? I'm not trashing you or calling you close minded. I'm just saying that, in my opinion, it detracts from what would otherwise be an awesome performance. I would like to be allowed to say that without being personally attacked. Thanks.
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I can't stand Butch...this is whiny, eager to blame others, and aboslutely does not state that they are moving towards fielding, in fact, it states quite the opposite. This note spends entirely to much time discussing what others are doing - the opperating budget of a division 1 corps has no bearing on the 'canos. Whatever happened to worrying about things you can control, and making your own product better?
Frankly, they need to scrap the current board, and find an open minded director that actually wants to field a corps. At present, it is very unlikely that the corps will field in the future. I post these comments here, because they would not even be permitted to appear on the 'Canos alumni forum - Butch would have them removed. Let's face it - Bingo is NOT the way to finance a corps, it is unreliable at best and the group is at the mercy of the gaming laws of the county/state. Star left their model up on their page for all to see - for crying out loud, dare to be different and get involved in something that will raise real income. If you never do anything different, you will never get anything different than what you always got.
Viva Freedom of Speech
Thanks for your well thought out post. This kind of support will keep the Americanos from completely going under. Moron.
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Narration.........yeah, it's great. How bout a show with all narration and only a few horn toots here and there. 15 years from now we can talk about how ground breaking it was. Minimalistic. Whoo Hooo I get all goose bumpy listening to someone talk. They must really have to practice and build up those chops to be able to .....talk. Yeah, narration is so great. Yes I think the consensus by now is pretty much in support of narration. Yeah, everyone likes it except one or two close minded old people we can ignore.
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I believe room will need to be made in the top 12 this year for the Blue Stars. God Bless. Go put out your flags for flag day.
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Nope. One shouldn't have to look beyond the narration. But, thanks for the insult about my being unable to comprehend you, as though I'm some idiot. It's what I've come to expect from the borg nation. Yes, my arguments are irrelevant. Whatever. Thanks for moving the discussion forward.