cybersnyder
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As long as those writing out $4,500 / $5,000 checks have the full story, it's all cool.
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The problem is that everyone knows that “something” is going to be announced. The Cadets are being quiet about it, so speculation ensues. We could be good church mice and not talk about it, but that never happens now or before the internet. We’re just more efficient now.
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9 minutes ago, rpbobcat said:
If there is a specific plan in place (set in stone),that is being implemented,why not release something "official".
What I wonder is if there is more of a "framework" for going forward,with certain components still " in flux".
Again,no problem with that,just say so.
Because they're still finalizing things which does have a bit of a risk to it, deals do fall through at the last minute. Any other party / parties involved may want to wait for timing on an announcement as well. I think it will be something positive, if the corps were folding, that would have been leaked. I have a prediction based on zero information and just predicting likely outcomes.
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Typed a long post and decided that it's out of my hands anyways, I'll just say good luck.
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32 minutes ago, Tim K said:
A few things about parent organizations:
If you look at a church as an example, a church can often have its congregation, but may also run a daycare, school, after school program, food pantry, etc. Chances are the school, daycare, food pantry, and other entities have separate tax ID numbers, which make them separate legal entities though the owner/parent is the church. This allows for some flexibility. Let’s just say the church can no longer afford to run one of the entities, it can be spun off. In the case of a school, this would be a huge advantage because it does not lose accreditation. In the case of YEA, US Bands and Cadets most likely have separate tax ID numbers. YEA can sell US Bands, it could spin off Cadets. If YEA decided to no longer sponsor Cadets, they would still be a drum corps. DCI deals with the corps, not the parent company, so if they met the criteria, they could compete without breaking any rules or violating policies. Over the years that has happened. Churches, VFW groups, scouting organizations sponsored corps and withdrew sponsorship and some of those corps compete to this day. In the case of Cadets, they were once Holy Name Cadets, Boston Crusaders were MPB Crusaders (Most Precious Blood), Bridgemen were once St. Andrew’s Bridgemen. If the parent organization disbands the corps, that’s a different matter. IC Reveries seniors were disbanded after the sit down strike and 27th Lancers came to be. It would also be a different matter if staff decided to break away from a parent organization and begin a new corps.
I don't think it's as simple as having a different EIN. YEA filed their 990 with EIN 22-2052456 and listed Cadets revenue and expenses. They may be a program of YEA, but they are very much YEA.
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15 hours ago, Slingerland said:
DCI's members are the parent organizations. Not the specific drum corps. It's why orgs with Exec Directors/CEOs of the parent company have THEM vote at the Januals, not the corps directors.
If The Cadets aren't part of YEA, but part of a new stand-alone non-profit, they are part of a new entity, one that has no history with DCI. One that would, if they enforced the rules, have to observe the same restrictions as any other first-year organization.
So yeah, oops.
That would require a strict interpretation of the rules and a desire to punish The Cadets. Not impossible, but unlikely.
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4 minutes ago, MikeD said:
Until the Cadets/YEA and DCI put out real information, everything discussed is irrelevant, as it is not based on any real evidence. What is the point of this back and forth based on conjecture?
Ad revenue.
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Surely they would have competent legal advice.
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48 hours does seem like an eternity now.
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14 minutes ago, exitmusic said:
So that's a, "no."
What on earth is going on over there? The entire DCI community knows the house is on fire, yet complete silence from YEA.
Most likely the announcement in the positive requires some actions not yet completed in a legal sense.
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47 minutes ago, Tommeee said:
That’s the only finals I’ve ever been at. And I’ll definitely never forget it for the rest of my life, either. And the encore!!
At University of Maryland? I think that was 2000, my only finals also. I really only remember a former Marine.couple behind us that stood at attention during the Commandants Own show. My daughter was really young and I was trying to keep her entertained. .
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17 minutes ago, tesmusic said:
Sure, in that regard, but sexual assault is sexual assault, and in all forms it’s vile and disgusting, and trying to justify it for anyone reason, or downplaying it due to the victims age is gross.
That's not what I'm saying.
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28 minutes ago, tesmusic said:
Extreme allegations?!? He sexually assaulted young women, and you’re justifying this? What kind of ####### statement is that? Whether or not they were 18, 28, or 45, he sexually assaulted people and you’re criticizing people calling him out. Do you actually ####### believe it matters if they were any age? Sexual at any age is monstrous, and you downplaying is in the way you did is disturbing, disgusting and pathetic.
It matters as a legal technicality, whether you go to civil court or criminal court depending on the offense. Both grotesque, yes.
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3 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
right now, the cost and perception post 4/18 are the biggest issues
I always thought fuel costs would eventually kill or greatly restrain drum corps. But the tours are now longer. So much for my crystal ball.
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1 minute ago, JimF-LowBari said:
True but I wasn’t even thinking of sweetheart deals just being about to find a place where needed on tour. Think DCI East last year was when there was a thread looking for sites at the last minute
Gotcha. I would have thought east coast would be easier to find housing as it has a higher population density.
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6 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:
Not what you know but who you know in finding places?
I assume that’s almost always the case. I’m sure that on some stops the corps gets a sweetheart deal, other times it’s more of a business transaction. As I wish younger me would have known, networking is probably the most important skill you can have.
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20 minutes ago, Fran Haring said:
My experience in the Baltimore-DC area, especially the DC area during snow events... is that folks either drive way too fast, as if there is nothing on the road... tailgating and so forth... or way too slow, as if driving over 10 MPH will cause them to careen down an embankment to a fiery death.
I are up in Central PA and people knew how to drive in snow, granted there was far less traffic. Moved to Columbia, MD and I stay off the roads if there is snow or ice. Have seen too many idiots that think SUV equals impervious to ice.
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19 minutes ago, dooser11 said:
how does the organization not say anything? Website hasn't been updated since 11/22.
Probably nothing concrete yet. The problem is that it's too small of a community for things to not get out. In the absence of official statements, rumors thrive.
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2 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Agree.
But how much of the membership would bail?
Which could lead to <110 members, or a fuller Corps with less talent. Either of which could put making (World Class) finals in jeopardy.
Yes. They still have the Cadets name which is certainly tarnished a bit but still strong. But $5k in tour fees ($4.5k if paid early, I think) would probably give some pause. I don't know how to quantify that impact. Personally, I'd wait until the last minute to sign a contract. Hopefully they're being upfront with potential members and it's not a case of "surprise, we're OC this year". That's worst case and people will feel ripped off. Parents especially after writing a big check. Sure, it's not always the parent paying, but you know what I mean.
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5 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Would they be required to do the limited OC tour?
If their income is limited, that would be a blessing.
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The elephant in the room is that, unless I'm reading the 990's wrong and I'm not a CPA, YEA! appears to have been floating The Cadets. So they do make a clean break from YEA!, they need a sugar daddy/mama to field anything but a skeleton show. It will be painful and possibly lethal, but they need to make the break. If I'm thinking "nah" about making my small donations because I don't want the money to go directly or indirectly to the Hopkins settlement fund, I'm sure the big donors are thinking the same thing. Really hope they survive and thrive, but it's not going to be easy.
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May you live in interesting times.
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It doesn't have to be one reason and no others. Generally, it's many reasons to varying degrees.
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16 minutes ago, Glenn426 said:
People don't go to see OC corps because the quality is not the same a BD. Not because of the size of the corps.
People will pay to see BD whether they have 154 or 100. Same with much of the rest of the top 10. Its coming to the point that most corps are not maximizing the rules with regards to amplification as they could. A properly mic'd hornline of 50 could be just as loud and sound better than a hornline of 80+ without mics.
"Its not the size of the Boat, but the motion of the ocean."
I think people still want to hear the natural or mostly natural brass sound even if it has some bass reinforcement from the PA. Regardless, I think there is zero chance of the voting members agreeing to a 100 member limit. Each year there are around 3000 marching members. I'm not sure what the stats are, but my guess would be that half march one year, a quarter two years and a quarter three or more years. It's expensive and college ain't cheap either. Why aren't these people sticking with the events en masse? If they aren't interested enough to pay to see drum corps, there is little chance in growth of the general public beginning to take interest. Increase the entertainment value, increase demand, higher prices for tickets, more butts in seats. But success is now defined basically as surviving a season without using lines of credit much. If they actually began making profits, would the non-profit status be at risk? I really don't think there is a lot of interest in doing more than surviving another season.
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Cadets 2020
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Non profits certainly can buy and sell assets.