Mello Dude
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Whomever it is, I hope it's the best person they can find for the job.
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16 minutes ago, MarimbaManiac said:
Because you have both implied and outright stated multiple times that you think people have "ulterior motives" or "other agendas" for being vocal about the organizations repeated failures. It makes people think what YOUR motives might be, that you can't accept the organization is in the wrong, and needs to face some accountability.
Absolutely; because if one has an IQ higher than a houseplant...or actually lives in the real world there will ALWAYS be those that sit waiting for their moment. One only needs to look at the posts with people even threatening and/or doxing people just talking. Including things that have ZERO to do with non-profit non-compliance. The word you are looking for is malfeasance. My motives (if any) are for there to be an SCV without the sneaking around by some trying to get their hands on power for their own motives. With what I have seen from this thread alone I would heavily suggest they DON'T cave and open everything up (to everyone) until it's fixed THEN come out and show what happened. The only good by showing everything right now, is open an endless can of worms. Fix it with good people that are capable, reliable and trustworthy and have SCV's(kids) interests at heart (background checks would be great). Hold the people responsible for this mess if there is a lawsuit based on said malfeasance, THEN come out and explain everything. I've seen first hand what a small group of negative people seeking their 15 minutes can do to an organization. Not pretty.
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35 minutes ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:
If that number is above the corps placement in 2024, you get a super cool prize? I'm joking of course, but Wednesday is my "Dealing with dullards on conference calls all day" time and I'm grumpy.
I love those...not. You are just about to leave it and one person starts asking questions that were fully covered.
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34 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
So in your view Mr. Lesher is engaging in axe grinding. Got it. Can you tell me what is inaccurate in the article linked by fighterkit a few pages back?
Why do YOU assume it's an "axe to grind"? I noticed that you jumped to that immediately rather than the other option I offered. That seems telling in and of itself.
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48 minutes ago, rjohn76 said:
The time will tell part is big. I saw a comment on Reddit this morning that said that there's a total of 7.5 DOJ staff working on processing delinquent organizations in California. I had previously looked up and found that there were over 33,000 organizations classified as "delinquent" back in May. With that small of a staff, and that high of a number of delinquencies, I don't see how anything gets resolved quickly with SCV (or any other CA charities either). Maybe I'm wrong, but government agencies are notorious for working slow even when properly staffed. Throw in under-staffing, and I can see it being an extended wait for even the slightest update.
You aren't wrong. Going to take moving mountains at this point. Been there done that on a smaller scale including a liquor license that lapsed for the non-profit (big time one here that dwarfs non-profit). Going to be a LOT of driving to places of government and sitting in offices.
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34 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
Transparency has a lot to do with having your supporters support you, instead of going public with a complaint. That was my point. Not whether they are complaint with the state.
Yes and no. There are people that have an axe to grind and people that actually mean to help. That's why when you see weakness like SCV has shown, the big ugly side comes out in force. BTW this isn't just an SCV thing to be clear. This is an ugly human thing that pervades everywhere.
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Well, to be fair, safety before band show.
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2 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
What would have prevented this from happening? Transparency from the leadership. Answering questions. Reaching out to alumni instead of alienating them. Now we shine the bright light on it. It’s generally a very good disinfectant.
Wrong. Doing their job would have kept this from happening. Transparency has zero to do with being compliant. Hopefully the people working on this are getting the job done. Time will tell.
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31 minutes ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:
Point very well stated. The corporate model wouldn't work in a plug and play type of format for sure. I think pieces of it could, but some of the wheels spokes would definitely have to be reinvented. I would, however wonder if it's the model that wouldn't work or it's a will vs skill type of scenario at some level.
As we traverse the many major reported incidents across several corps (SCV is not the first and unfortunately will most likely not be the last,) the pattern of corps seems to be the "We do things the way that we do them because it's always how we've done them." Change only occurs at two levels:
1. Willingness to change in order to keep moving forward with minimal risk of future issues
2. Force by circumstance.
I don't know what the right answer is. And I'm smart enough to realize that there may not be an easy model/answer. But if corps aren't striving for transparency until they get punched in the jaw, that's a recipe for disaster.
1. I don't know if it has much to do about "change" as it does just doing the job or jobs. Not keeping up with the stuff whether non-profit or C/S corp. will come out to bite you. Good organizations need to elect competent people. NOTHING kills an org. put on auto pilot by a GOOD previous admin will crash and burn not keeping up with the basics.
2. Is always an option but usually a bad one. Worse is when it's forced by an outside influence that is a power play. I have seen this tear apart good organizations and kill friendships. Always ends up being about someone rather than what's best for the organization. When you are weak these people will pounce and you better be ready for it and not cave or you will be back peddling and never have peace no matter how good you are at fixing it.
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Problem is: EVEN if they do everything that DCI requires, it won't be enough for some with other agendas.
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24 minutes ago, keystone3ply said:
Wow, never thought of that design. Which came first? The rectangle pizza or the tray? I say the tray.
Think you are right. But who knows.
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39 minutes ago, keystone3ply said:
Speaking of bulk food, y'all got any connections to the school pizza? Cause...
The rectangle one that fit perfectly in the tray right? 🙂
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33 minutes ago, LabMaster said:
Nope. I just can’t.
Moving on. The last couple of posts do show that corps are getting similar goods from a number of sources. If corps could get on board with a single source, and get group buying power, consolidation of buying for corps and consolidation of supplies for the vendors, they can improve pricing.
Won't work. Food industry is a different beast. Plus, depending where you are you will be limited on what is available supply-wise. But hey, I only dealt in the industry for 15 years so what do I know? Better to try and get them to donate food. But, food places have like zero issues for write offs on waste and spoilage alone. Also better to try and get like Goya, Albertsons etc to donate.
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6 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
We can’t say “Catherine”? It’s been a very long time. I think we should all let it go.
Shhh not the "C" word!
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20 minutes ago, MikeN said:
I worked at the bottom of the DCI pyramid at Guardians, and we were Sams Club devotees. Mainly because we couldn't afford to store larger Sysco-type deliveries, and Sams Clubs were pretty much everywhere.
Mike
Sam's Club meat prices are amazing in bulk. Even when we had the catering business no one beat them.
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1 hour ago, rpbobcat said:
I've brought this up before.
If DCI had a true governing body, it could negotiate contracts with companies
for all corps.
May not work for everything.
But no reason they couldn't negotiate for "non-perishable " food, cleaning supplies
even fuel.
As someone that worked for decades in the food business, that at the levels individuals (corps) are buying from food services you are getting the best deals already. The margin on food is so tight when you buy from these places there isn't anywhere to go. I don't know of ANY corps that doesn't know these things. The people running food SHOULD have certs in food safety. I mean that's the law.
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10 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
Transparency would eliminate a whole lot of negativity
I doubt this. Some have a vested interest at this point that they fail. It's sad. If and when they disclose they would be well served to NOT engage with these people that have zero interest in there being an SCV.
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4 hours ago, LabMaster said:
I’m sure some have, but likely many don’t, because their orgs aren’t set up to coordinate with them, or may not be aware they can. If some corps joined together to improve their buying power and coordinate logistics with any of these companies, that may help.
I beg to differ. These services have been around forever. GFS, Restarant Depot, even Sam's Club. Anyone qualified to be making meals for people knows of these places.
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13 hours ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:
He has a RUNNING YUGO?!?!? What wizardry is this?!?
On an on topic note, my fear is not so much the number and size of props as it is the safety of those props as we go more and more vertical. We're 1 major injury (or worse) from corps being FORCED to consider minimizing props (at least from a size/height perspective.)
Ya, the whole vertical race seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Honestly, I get more enjoyment from performing, playing and marching than watching how much money someone has wasted on props. I feel like the activity has slid backwards from the 2006-2015 era relying too much on "props" vs show and content. The fact we are now sacrificing performance time to carry stuff on and off the field speaks to this. Not only that but and entire other vehicle to cart around stuff you use for one year is so wasteful. I can't believe some green group hasn't protested the activity yet.
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7 hours ago, C.Holland said:
kids… get a lawyer. Always get a lawyer when your corps falls apart and leaves you out to dry. (In both literal ways, as well as proverbial)
Worst advice ever. Just don't. You will have huge bills wondering why you did this.
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1 hour ago, TOC said:
Then the corps with the budget would figure a way to make it easy to carry stuff on the top and sides of trucks, be legal, and make it under all bridges. The box truck could be closer to 30' in length. And then there are those corps who would have a class action suit defending their first amendment rights. This might all be a moot point since the majority of corps directors would not pass it at the January meetings.
Not a First Amendment Issue.
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51 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said:
Downplaying critical voices is the exact opposite of how nonprofits should be run or regarded by the public. In my and others' cases, this downplaying has metastasized to the point were some of us feel less safe in our homes and online. Thanks "fellow alum" from "our family." While I'm criticizing the org, doing my best to leave names out of it, some alum are actually attacking public, named individuals, some of us victims of organizational abuse at Vanguard. Kudos. 👍🏽
Dissent is a key ingredient in how public nonprofit oversight is supposed to work. I find it eerily reminiscent of my marching days that so many apologists for VMAPA rush to their side, continue to pull the wool over their eyes, and remain quick to silence valid concerns that challenge them. They're rushing to the side that has more power and will survive this (I firmly believe this,) rather than the powerless side that has little actual chance of having their valid concerns addressed or of influencing change for the better. That is, if we're still identifying and choosing sides. Despite my proclivity to dissent, I still advocate for the betterment of the organization because again, dissent is a critical tool in doing so in healthy orgs. I actually am still on Team Vanguard... it's just been made clear that I'm (and other qualified professionals are) not wanted time and time again by the "family," likely because the family still doesn't understand the constructive role of dissent. Even as adults. Too busy idolizing their patches, rings, and JONZ Showcase ###### paraphernalia I'd wager.
The following was produced by Santa Clara University on the role of dissent in nonprofit board governance. I posit that extending its premise to include stakeholder dissent is also necessary and crucial in VMAPA's case, as I have gotten no sense (in my direct interactions with this BOD) that dissent or disagreement plays the critical role it should be in healthy nonprofit governance. Instead they have all the signs of siloing and diminishing their numbers for the last several years.
Take the recent instance of the BOD treasurer leaving as just one example.
https://www.scu.edu/ethics/all-about-ethics/dissent--a-missing-ingredient-in-nonprofit-governance/
Now that my dissenting voice is added, among the many already here, let's see how long this thread lasts. I predict that the nature of the apologists' arguments will descend into personal attacks as they always do.
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4 minutes ago, LoveKathyG said:
There’s no point in not accepting this as good news, unless you have other motives.
We have a winner here.
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How about giving them a chance before the nonsense here? I know we live in the age of instant gratification but ffs a few weeks at least before all the negative?
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19 Sep SCV Meeting Summary on Reddit
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Well, look at it this way. People will have butts in the seats earlier so these other corps will have a bigger audience.