Sutasaurus
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17 minutes ago, xandandl said:
ok, for the 21st century politically correct crowd, insert "Chicago Cabal" instead of the historical term I cited. (Those seeing a slight to Chi-town might refer to the old abbreviation for Illinois.)
Speaking as a former Chicagoan , the only slight is The name”Chi-town”.
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Ok, how many dinos does it take to keep a thread on topic?
Xandandl, that term was coined in a different era. I’m sure it was meant lovingly.....but back to point. What is more cost effective for drum corps as a whole? Regional touring model with a greater emphasis on local participation, or the current model?
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One, a very large contra playing T-Rex.
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18 minutes ago, Poppycock said:
No! The current tour model is not financially sustainable for the majority of corps. The annual incurred cost between 1.8 and 2 million dollars for corps to operate will continue to rise. The return on investment is a shortfall that in itself has to be part of the budget listed as a drag on the annual P&L.
Less regional participants create long term financial issues due primarily to most members not being vested to the organization.The majority of donors and financial support for many of these corps comes from rooted drum corps people as private and corporate donations. Many if not most are baby boomers and genX. Those dollars will eventually go away as people get older and there is less disposable income
Organizations are looking at creating new revenue streams outside of alumni support knowing that they cannot depend on substantial donations from alumni. For an example; if a rookie age out from Nebraska trying to pad their resume to become a band director after college by marching with BD, what do you think the likelihood of that individual becoming a donor to BD? Slim to none. Why! Because they’re not really vested in the organization.
Less regional participation has also had an affect on attendance. The days of attending a show by friends and relatives to watch someone they know in a corps is practically gone. No local participation is a challenge for show sponsors trying to sell tickets to a disconnected audience.
This discussion is similar to the discussion in a previous thread having to do with diversity in staffs. Financial diversity is at the core of this issue. How many corps can afford to keep up with this touring model? It’s time to rethink the touring model to better accommodate the financial diversity of it’s competitors. Grassroots participation will bring audiences back. More exposure at the high school/grade school level would, beg the expression, drum up more interest to younger audiences.
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8 hours ago, xandandl said:
this benefits Midwest fans. The rest of us would have to pay for transportation and housing/board. Since its start in '72, DCI has always struggled with the Midwest (Mafia) as they were often termed vs. the experiences of those on the coasts Atlantic, Pacific, and Gulf. Madison Scouts for a few years proudly wore tee-shirts referring to themselves as Coastbusters.
Whoa, Midwest Mafia? The group who started DCI represented corps from all over the country.
The Midwest is an equidistant point for both coasts and the midsection to compete. It”s that or.., rotate tours to left and right and middle coasts. Which is more cost effective? Let’s ask the bean counters @ DCI.
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51 minutes ago, greg_orangecounty said:
Kingsmen color guard did it first in 1973’s “off the line” (ancient term?) and again in 1974 at the end of drum solo. A man named Stanley Knaub invented it. PR did a version later in, I think, 1977, 1978?
At the time we thought it looked familiar. Ha Ha!
Yup! We just put a different “spin” on it.
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4 minutes ago, Jurassic Lancer said:
Well, there was something called the Rockford File ...
Yes, the Phantomettes truly earned their place in the pantheon of color guards. Those were some dedicated, focused and hard working women. And I feel fortunate to call them my phamily.
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1 minute ago, Jurassic Lancer said:
Well, there was something called the Rockford File ...
Time for greg_orange county to chime in...didn’t Anaheim do a “Rockford File” off the line in ‘72 or ‘73??!
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I will always have a fond spot in my heart forThe Kingsmen and 27. Kingsmen were bad A$$ in such a good way and 27 were tradition and majesty at it’s zenith. I was humbled and honored to compete with you. Both of your organizations set the bar much higher for the rest of us.
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8 minutes ago, Jurassic Lancer said:
Our rifle line was OK.
Whaddya mean OK? The were the standard in their day. Those women did manuals that no one else attempted and they did it with style grace and class!
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It was all about Military Bearing then. The precision of movement And carriage over the randomness of dance. Nothing wrong with either. I just prefer synchronicity in my drum corps.
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Kingsmen rifle line was not to be trifled with either. In 1974 they had a drum break from the Exorcist I believe and I remember the rifle line did some crazy contortions
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7 hours ago, Ghost said:
The bomb diggity.
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6 minutes ago, Ghost said:
Love to hear the older recordings when some mm were up close and hear the feet hitting the ground. You're hibernating early this year S.
Stayed up to watch SNL.....
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1 hour ago, Weaklefthand4ever said:
REALLY?!?! Having never tossed a rifle, I would think they have some heft to them. Obviously it all depends on the material of the blade. But I do kinda get it. I build a lot of spare shafts for pool cues lately with a carbon fiber rod running through them but the weight feels low to many top tier players. I've now started to tinker with G-10 (glass epoxy) over a carbon fiber core to keep the weight up a little.
Making the blade much lighter would effect how well it spun in the air. The heft is what stabilizes it during spinning and tossing. Don’t want the blade taking flight due to a wind gust.
Remember when some guards would tape washers in the straps? That was mainly used for timing but darn it was cool to hear the precise click click click of a great rifle line on a recording.
Ok I’ll go back to my cave now.
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2 hours ago, Continental said:
Vanguard bed posts.
Don’t forget hula hoops too
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3 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
I think they’ll be ok for tonight. I’m 28 miles east of Dekalb and it’s dry but very dreary and cool. I’d go to support the corps but there’s no way this one guy here will leave with this game tonight. 🙄🏈
That’s right. Football comes after Drum Corps.
is anyone else watching the Global Citizen concert? Watching that talent on the stage and in the audience gives me hope.
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17 hours ago, Sutasaurus said:
The latter. As for the former, I hope and pray the members of 2019 Regiment learned that their work isn’t done yet. Build on your successes. The organization couldn’t ask for a more dedicated, hard working group of young men and women. Many marched their first year of drum corps, hopefully they will continue their marching experience with the corps who took them into the fold.]
I misspoke, my apologies. I’m old.
While I stand on what I said about the marching members in the post quoted here I want to address the recently announced staff. I have every faith that Tony, JD, Adam, Jeremy, and Rob will be allowed to create what they feel is a program that not only challenges the performers but is also significantly more competitive than in recent years.
This isn’t their first rodeo, so to speak. As for them sticking around? Why wouldn’t they? The fact that they came back to work with Regiment again speaks volumes. I think they want to see the corps return to it’s former glory. I, for one would love to see a ‘93/‘94- like style change. No, not bring back that style but rather bring something new to the table. Adam speaks about it in his recent interview. With Robert Cawthorne
i can’t wait to see what’s in the works for Regiment 2020.
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23 minutes ago, kdaddy said:
What are you referring to? Members staying around? Or new design team drawing talent?
If you're referring to the former, I'm hoping that retention is high this year. But, without knowing actual figures, that looking like a remarkably younger group than the corps was fielding, say, five years ago.
If you're referring to the latter, I'm guessing it's too early to be seen, as no camps have occurred.
The latter. As for the former, I hope and pray the members of 2019 Regiment learned that their work isn’t done yet. Build on your successes. The organization couldn’t ask for a more dedicated, hard working group of young men and women. Many marched their first year of drum corps, hopefully they will continue their marching experience with the corps who took them into the fold.]
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3 hours ago, Rocketman said:
While I mostly agree with the sentiments, in this 'what have you done for me lately' world, will the 'talent' stick around long enough to build back to respectability? I was hoping that the new design team would draw talent that would enable the corps to go beyond what is expected.
Who is to say they haven’t?
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On 8/26/2019 at 11:57 AM, Spatzzz said:
Stop:: Listening at all to anyone that tells corps to "go back to...."
Continue: Moving the activity forward.
Start: Leaving the dino's behind to sulk...
Stop: Spatzzz‘s attack on people who came before him/her. Get a clue, we’ve been doing drum corps a lot longer than you.
Continue: Moving the activity forward by teaching music instead of prop management/staging.
Start: Respecting people who are older than you. ( That’s for you Spatzzz) Really.
Dino’s don’t sulk, they rawr.
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FYI.
Darian Sanders former DM and staff member selected for an understudy role for Lion King on Bway. Way to go Darian, follow your dreams!
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/topics/news/e556366412?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
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6 hours ago, Kevlar496 said:
Was the drum line side 1 or 2? 🙂 Asking for a friend
You guys were all over the place!
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8 minutes ago, kdaddy said:
Waiting to see JD’s interview and Adam Sage’s interviews
2020 Phantom Regiment
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I think Courtney is ready to move the activity forward. She’s an amazing talent with tons of potential to change drum corps. Go Courtney, we’re with you!!!!!!