fsubone
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yeah there were technical (timing) errors right up through finals -- not because the players were less talented then '09 -- just due to some absurdly difficult field positioning. there were some fixes made but there was no way to really fix them all. the opening to 2010 is some of my favorite drum corps of all time.
It really is great. My favorite part of that show, just the long build-up to the impact. Crown chose not to rush the development, which is something a lot of corps seem to do. Yeah, there were timing problems, but I wouldn't have wanted them to do it differently
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Just from a little tv show called Full House. But that's another topic for another time. Thanks for clearing it up though, helps me to understand your posts much better now.
Because I didn't watch Full House, that somehow shines a light into my rationale for posting on here? Interesting analysis there
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Crown 2012 or Coats 2010 were best in the last five years.
SCV 2004 was pretty phenomenal.
1990s- PR 1995 or 1996.
Funny how every discussion of low brass playing turns into jabs at synth players. Kind of forgets the contribution those 36-44 kids are making.
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You don't know who Uncle Jessie is?
Am I supposed to? Is this some strange, old-school reference?
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A while ago on here I mentioned how I was feeling about Weber's recent drills to be told by someone who writes drill that the horn placements in his earlier stuff left something to be desired. I have no understanding of the drill writing process, so it could be that his more recent work has changed because of that. As you state above, maybe it's no longer what is popular and earns top points.
They did. The sections were often segregated out, and they spent a ton of time with the low brass buried in the back. He got a lot better in 2011 and 2012, and keeps improving.
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Really? I know 2010 was a low year for Crown in terms of brass performance but I've yet to understand why. They sound great, atleast on the recording.
The drill was too open to get the brass all together. Look at the opening to the Mahler. You've got tubas and euphs spread across 60-70 yards, all trying to line up very technical sections. It was very hard to get lined up across the ensemble. I think the brass spread made it hard for them to max their score, even though that was probably their best brass book.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HsJ3a6GWeM
Indeed, certainly no musical contribution at all here. Especially not during a percussion feature.-
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Oh goody, here comes the polite police again. Thanks for chiming in! Say hi to Uncle Jessie for me!
Who the hell is Uncle Jessie, and what was the point of replying to me? I must have done something to hurt your feelings as you're following my posts around now.
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I think comments sometimes come from the BD approach to things...
...or maybe I should say that some people prefer one kind of design over another and are particularly sensitive to difference in what they believe is the correct way of doing things.
Which is interesting considering that SCV and BD use two completely different styles of visual design and performance. I like what they do, Pete Weber does some beautiful drill
On the subject of brass playing, maybe it's down to harder visual packages. Or it's that they can integrate parts across the captions now. Maybe it's the judging sheets. I don't really see a problem with it, but it's the era I'm from, so I could be wrong to most on here
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Were we watching the same show? SCV's drill was beautifully designed, but there were so many interval issues it wasn't even funny. That was due to the nature of the formations though.
They did have a 19.5 in VA, so clearly the judges didn't see all the interval issues you speak of. Could be that the drill was designed so that not everyone was 2-3 steps apart constantly. Some designers choose a more organic approach with spacing.
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Brass is playing less and outside of a few runs, their parts are watered down. Of course it’s all to accommodate the visual but….it’s gone a little too far IMO. I’d rather hear a horn line then see them twitch around the field or doing 70 individual characters having Italian fits. It’s just not entertaining to me to watch horn player put their horns on the ground and do a bad little jig.
But whatever, I’m old and will die soon enough, you kids can drive this thing into the ground by turning it into some weird dancing beauty pageant with faux intellectualism in base storylines as engineered by the great chocolate bathers
SCV's brass book this year was a horror show but they looked great !
Well, aren't you just Mr. Sunshine and Rainbows? Don't you think anyone in DCI could continue carrying the torch and keeping the activity alive, or are you very convinced that everyone will run it into the ground?
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Why, it was. Besides, why is everyone getting bent out of shape, people did the same thing in the Scouts thread, criticizing the design all summer, and I didnt see this many fans getting bent out of shape. But I guess no one can criticize BAC, that's just blasphemous.
So….. It's okay because someone else did it somewhere else on DCP? Guess that's an excuse.
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So giving concrete examples of how the design team failed in my mind is attacking/belittling? Interesting.
Maybe saying that it was a waste of the member's talents is not the most tactful way of presenting a critique on the show? Just maybe.
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Yes, most of the camps I attended and have taught, we did a lot of stuff on concrete or asphalt. It's just what's easily available.
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Apples and hand grenades.
How? Because one was visual and GE excess that messed up a solid show, and the other was musical, and was an absence of playing? You've made your stance against the Bluecoats show this year very clear, but I would appreciate you elaborating on how not having the percussion play during the ballad was a poor decision.
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Which brings up the serious question... Are cymbals being made differently (aka better) than years back? And years back meaning when cymbal lines had all different sizes and not 2 people smacking the same size plates.
I think Zildjian has used the same methods and materials for the last 400 years or so
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I've always been partial to down endings, whether it's Cadets or SCV. They always seem to do it the best
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Silence for 25-30% of the show, especially considering the excellence of Coats' percussion, was excessive IMHO.
As excessive as Cadets' banners and flags and giant people and multiple uniforms?
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Totally agree, BUT when you can do it well, it really adds to the show. It's the exception and not the rule for sure!
For sure it can. Just seems like it requires expert writing and performing to sell it. It certainly is the exception.
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They can ask BD how to simulate walking on a high-wire. Seems like they've included it in most of their shows since 08.
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There's Cadets 2005 Dancer in the Dark is calling to disagree with you...
Starting around 1:46 of the video
I don't think there's a hard and fast rule on this...
That one was a very good usage of it, but those are pretty rare examples. Cadets did it in 2002 as well. Looks like more groups use percussion for very small parts in their ballads, or not at all. Just isn't a necessary thing when you go for subtlety and lyrical quality.
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Agree....the loudest audience response Bloo received was not the pitch bend, but the dude diving off the ramp at the end. And, interestingly, their battery didn't play a note for roughly 3 minutes and 20 seconds during the Teng ballad.
Probably because their battery wasn't necessary during the ballad. Most corps have their batteries sit out during ballads. Having people ram notes just doesn't blend with lyrical ballads. Unless you're Phantom, then you try and shove a ride cymbal part into New World Symphony.
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Ah, I probably was hoping you had some insider info, :-)
Dark or light, maybe we just went to different circuses; although I grant you that many in the arts world have struggles with dealing with "happy" themes and seem more comfortable with exploring the tragedies and darkness of life.
I went to the normal circuses as a child, which was past the era of sideshows. I just don't see sideshows as being something bright and cheery types of things. Maybe it's just me though.
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Are you being realistic or asserting your own preferences. I don't gleen what you conclude anywhere from what Blue Stars actually announced. Show me.
"The Blue Stars Drum & Bugle Corps is excited to announce its 2015 program SIDE SHOW. The corps will present a look at both the spectators and the spectacles of a 1930s traveling carnival, showcasing a thrilling range of characters and their many diverse talents."
Just an observation from the title and the picture they released. Doesn't really scream happy show to me. Seems like a side show would lend itself to a darker, more edgy show. I have no insider information or anything. I saw similar comments from multiple other posters here, but it's all just speculation at this point.
Most Impressive Low Brass Lines?
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Bluecoats have worked in some pretty spectacular tuba features in the last 5 years or so unaided by the synth. SCV had one last year and in 2013.