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11 minutes ago, bluesman said:
Are we now living in a time where "The sins of the father are to be laid upon the children"? I'm sympathetic to anyone who has been the victim of sexual assault or harassment, but this was almost 42 years ago. Some kids aren't going to get to march because of something that happened before they, or in some instances before their parents were born. I'm sure I'm going to get blasted for this, but the alleged incident happened more than 4 decades ago.
There's truth in what you're saying. Up to the legal system to determine what responsibility today's Cadets (Cadets A&E) may have for the actions of the Garfield Cadets so long ago.
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5 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
I’ll do it for said token salary.
Maybe. Please submit a DNA sample, fingerprints, retina scan, professional qualifications, resume with cover letter, background clearance, 200 personal references, power of attorney and a $100000 application fee and send it to....
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5 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:
Back in 1990s had training from churches insurance company on protection from child abuse. Line that applies here is “abusers are looking for organizations that either do not check for abusers or have holes in their protection policy “.
More I read about abusers (staff and members) being able to bounce to another corps….. no wonder this is still going on as much
High school programs were using the background check process well before drum corps. Has it eliminated abuse there? As I said it's mostly a legal CYA action.
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30 minutes ago, HockeyDad said:
So disheartened by these recent posts. How about DCI create a compliance group of about 5 people and have them develop mandatory reporting guidelines that each corps shall follow. And give them investigative authority. If lack of oversight is the problem then create oversight.
I think the idea of having a DCI paid ombudsperson at every corps is a good one. A person independent of the corps who's accessible to every member could potentially be a very valuable resource for both members and staff. Maybe a "problem member" is really a "problem instructor". But would there really be people willing to assume that role for the token salary that position would inevitably be paid?
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
if it was known to the world at large, it was a secret.
i do feel for corps however when it comes to these kids coming to them.....short of an admission of guilt or legal actions, it's a slippery slope to cut them based on rumors. one parent mad Johnny didnt get his drill dot with a lawyer could cause huge problems
It sounds easy to have a shared database of "problem" members. But accountability is a real thing (for the entity maintaining the list and for the corps submitting data to the list). Good ideas are good until you get down to implementation. Then reality sets in. Just ask anyone who's written software for the health care industry. What sort of problems can be reported? How are they documented? Who is authorized to see, add or remove MM's from the list? And most importantly: who's liable if a MM appears on (or is absent from) the list and something bad happens.
As for due diligence (like Lab immediately posted about Boston) -- that's been going on forever (all the way down to the smallest school activity) and quite frankly it's a joke. Unless someone has been convicted of a serious offense, they're going to pass right through those checks. And even in that case, many offenders successfully get records expunged after doing their obligatory community service. And we're just talking adults here. MM's are in general completely in the clear as juvenile records might as well not exist for background checks. Background checks are mostly CYA theater.
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How about a show called "influencers" which twists the modern interpretation with pieces from composers who greatly influenced western music (with the caveat that no one else has played it before). Visual / storyline stays with the modern spin but the music does not (until the closer perhaps?)
I'll put my 2 cents in with this particular arrangement of G. Gabrieli to open the program:
Could you imagine hearing CrownBrass playing this? Only one word would suffice: GLORIOUS !
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Never get enough marcher POV vids!
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9 hours ago, MadisonBandMan1 said:
Love this program tweaking staff and really trying to push the program forward. I think that Bimm is a fitting addition for this program, and we all know his pedigree is as vast as the seven seas.
Agree. Also … Bringing Sully in as an advisor adds all his creative strengths without any of the …shall we say challenges
He and Jeff also have a long working relationship. Glad to see Tyler getting a seat at the design table. IMHO you need to have a balance of experience and fresh perspectives. Crown is always tweaking. Last year was fun to watch because the excellence really drove the effect as the season ended.
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1 hour ago, TigerBaritone19 said:
I don't see Rick Subel anywhere on the website, is he still on the staff?
However there are still strong ties to Paramount with a lot of crossover staff members:
- Tyler Edrington
- Molly Favret-Edrington
- Katie Hopkins
- Madison Adcock
- Jeff Sacktig
- Byron Valentine
- Carrie Smith
Also interesting to note the addition of Marc Sylvester in a consulting role. Will be interesting to see the design fielded by this visual team. I can envision (a) a more coherent visual design (b) improved guard staging (c) perhaps a more balanced approach to effect (d) more consistent attention to details.
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Crown finally got around to updating their Staff Page.
Design team includes:
- Reid Atkinson, Program Coordinator
- Michael Klesch, Music Director, Brass Arranger
- Mike Martin, Brass Arranger
- Kevin Shah, Front Ensemble Arranger, Sound Design
- Mike Jackson, Batter Arranger, Choreographer
- Sean McElroy, Staff & Ensemble Coordinator
- Andy Ebert, Production Supervisor
- Jeff Sacktig, Visual Director, Drill Design
- Tyler Edrington, Color Guard, Visual Design
- Molly Favret-Edrington, Aesthetics, Visual Design
- Byron Valentine, Visual Design Consultant
- Marc Sylvester, Visual Design Consultant
- Greg Bimm, Music Consultant
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2 hours ago, KVG_DC said:
Woo. Tap that crazy Califorina indoor percussion talent pool and tempt them with a summer playing a Mike Jackson book!
Remember that the percussion change last season was late enough that many broken city vets were already committed elsewhere. Will be interesting to watch the level of talent coming in this season.
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Crown West Coast percussion audition camp schedule for TOMORROW! Please check out the website for more information regarding registration ➡
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1 hour ago, CrownBariDad said:
I've been away since Finals, but did anyone post that Crown is having a West Coast Percussion Audition on Oct 22? This was posted on FB but I can't share the link and having issues sharing a screenshot.
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Literally no Crown fan has used that term in more than year. It's mostly Boston folks who use it (Craiga, Labmaster, Barneveld). Man do facts SUCK! In fact it looks like YOU are the most frequent user of the the term "poaching" in the past year ! I saw only 3 or 4 posts by Crown fans in the results for the past 5 years!
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24 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said:
then why do poaching comments continue to come from one side?
Literally no Crown fan has used that word in more than year. It's mostly Boston folks who use it. Man do facts SUCK!
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Jeff Ream replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussionsthen why do poaching comments continue to come from one side?
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kdaddy
The Staff Merry-go-round
kdaddy replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...There was no talk of poaching, as far as I can remember. Even as SCV passed Regiment competitively, I don't remember any ill will. Just one anecdote, but it has parallels Crown/BAC in some ways (e.g., Regiment was pretty consistently top six at that point and only 2-3 years removed from a title, wh...
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Jeff Ream
The Staff Merry-go-round
Jeff Ream replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...and " poaching" is such a #### word to use...staff have left to go other places since the bgeinning of time. But i'll ask again....if things were so great where someone was....why would they leave? trust me, my employer sucks some days to the point of wanting to dust off the resume. but, despite off...
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Jeff Ream
The Staff Merry-go-round
Jeff Ream replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...since the " poaching" in 2017, both sides are fixated on each other. after all....do they go to each others home shows? it's kinda stupid. remember for designers and staff....it's a payday. and if you're offered a better payday someplace other than where you are, would you turn it down?...
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Weaklefthand4ever
Year 3 Update: Introducing Performing Arts Access, Safety and Inclusion Network, Inc.
Weaklefthand4ever replied to DCP NewsFeed's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...access to it would typically also be restricted to avoid content poaching. That's how I would, and still do it in corporate setting.
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fighterkit
The Staff Merry-go-round
fighterkit replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions... Poaching/stealing was a very common word used when the staff came over. It’s become a sore spot for a lot of us because it undermines the organization and the members.
September 6 1,004 replies
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TOC
The Staff Merry-go-round
TOC replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...submitted his post about using the word " poaching." I'm guessing someone else was using it, maybe about what happened with the Crusaders in 16. They may have kept poking Waldo with the word, so Boss A. just poked them back.
September 6 1,004 replies
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Boss Anova
The Staff Merry-go-round
Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps DiscussionsMy sarcasm and calling such a term as " poaching " a " silly term " above, seems to have missed the mark as intended. I chuckled at the term, but it does appear to make a handful of DCP'ers really angry, so henceforth, I promise never to use this pejorative and angry term on here again. Promise. No...
September 6 1,004 replies
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HockeyDad
The Staff Merry-go-round
HockeyDad replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...One persons poaching is another’s leaving voluntarily because it’s a good career move. In the very same way, one person’s toxic is another’s critique of poor performance.
September 6 1,004 replies
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Boss Anova
The Staff Merry-go-round
Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...that would replenish any " juice " the merri go round " poaching " thread might need at the moment, Joe😊.
September 5 1,004 replies
Boss Anova
The Staff Merry-go-round
Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...Sacktig is probably a better example of immediate season to season " poaching ", which is what I think you are looking for here😊.
September 5 1,004 replies
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Jeff Ream
The Staff Merry-go-round
Jeff Ream replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps DiscussionsIt’s not poaching if the staff decided where they were wasn’t in their best interests and I think all can look at cadets 16 to see why people left
September 5 1,004 replies
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Boss Anova
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Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...His role at Star in that " poaching " is secondary, albeit I agree in retrospect that he served in Mgt there when he first came on at the end of 1984.. Kerchner was there when Mason arrived. Mason, Prime later took over brass writing there. Zingali was " poached " originally by the Cadets from 27...
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musicteacher
The Staff Merry-go-round
musicteacher replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...I don't know if you could call them landing in Star a poaching. I believe they left of their own accord from Cadets. Brubaker wrote for Star early on.
September 5 1,004 replies
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Boss Anova
The Staff Merry-go-round
Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...But some recent alums/ fans seemingly prefer to use the pejorative " poaching " when staffs leave and decide to go to another Corps. Its kind of silly, imo, but maybe we can stick with this silly word this off season if some are so inclined.😊
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Jurassic Lancer
The Staff Merry-go-round
Jurassic Lancer replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...I would say it is only considered poaching if the migrating staff is from Crown. No one even remembers the recruitment from Cadets. Why isn’t Boston called Cadets of New England?
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Boss Anova
The Staff Merry-go-round
Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps DiscussionsThe best at the practice of “ poaching “( dislike that word , but some New Kids on the Block like to use this pejorative these days I guess , so why not ) was the Star of Indiana . The Star of Indiana set the standard for making attractive contract and freedom of creativity outreach to who they wa...
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craiga
The Staff Merry-go-round
craiga replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...you must realize that it is only considered " poaching" of the staff in question go to BAC. In fact, some people here actually still refer to Boston as "Crown North", some 8 years after that staff move. I still haven't recovered from BD " poaching" Jay Murphy from us in 1981.
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Boss Anova
The Staff Merry-go-round
Boss Anova replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...5th this year is the Official " Poaching " Announcement Day ( OPAD ). Let the " poaching " announcements begin ! 🐓 😀
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IllianaLancerContra
The Staff Merry-go-round
IllianaLancerContra replied to DCI-86's topic in DCI World Class Corps DiscussionsHire them full-time like they were at SCV- keeps another Corps from poaching them.
August 13 1,004 replies
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Vidal28Rdg
DCI Prelims - Big, Loud, and Live - August 10th, 2023
Vidal28Rdg replied to DrumManTx's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...I have no doubt there’s a lot of caption poaching amongst the corps on the score sheets tonight👀
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Jurassic Lancer
Carolina Crown 2023
Jurassic Lancer replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...and I am sick to death of hearing the poaching mantra from Crown enthusiasts. If anyone would want BAC to fail relative to their corps, you would think it would be me. But no. I greatly admire how BAC has built their organization, and hold them up as a model on how other corps should do it. A...
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LabMaster
Carolina Crown 2023
LabMaster replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...Boston lost staff through they years and never cried “ poaching”. I don’t recall other corps slamming a corps for poaching. Only Crown supporters. As far as money, it took Boston years to build the foundation they currently have. Most of the Crown folks that slam Boston have no idea at all how l...
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LabMaster
Carolina Crown 2023
LabMaster replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...Certainly not poaching or any similar notion. Best of luck to Crown this year. Support them and for once drop the concern with BAC. It’s been 6 years for gosh sakes.
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LabMaster
Carolina Crown 2023
LabMaster replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...They actually can’t articulate exactly how poaching is applicable whenever anyone moves to another corps. Just think of all recent moves and these would be poaching by their definition. From brass and percussion moves right on up to leadership positions.
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Carolina Crown 2023
BWise replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...That pretty much is poaching. And frankly the first three years honestly I did not even know the staff had left Crown and I kept saying .., why does Boston look just like Crown .. down to even the small stylistic body movements. Even down to their show graphics and social media packaging. it’s a...
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Boss Anova
Carolina Crown 2023
Boss Anova replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps DiscussionsWell if someone utilizes the phrase “ poaching “ marchers and staff from other corps , then it’s kind of silly not to expect to receive at least a little pushback on that .. especially when marchers and staff have been moving between Corps since even BEFORE DCI was founded . It’s a common practice...
January 29 2,733 replies
LabMaster
Carolina Crown 2023
LabMaster replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions...But make it a legit criticism and not the same old cry of “ poaching”! If you even know what poaching is. Some one leaving a corps because they aren’t wanted or they want a new experience and there is a place for them with another corps and they move to another corps, isn’t poaching. So enough wit...
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LabMaster
Carolina Crown 2023
LabMaster replied to MadisonBandMan1's topic in DCI World Class Corps DiscussionsAagghh more of the dopey poaching baloney. So are all new crown staff poached from elsewhere? Same logic, right. Staff moving from one corps to another isn’t poaching. It’s staff moving to new gigs. For a variety of reasons. Some self directed, some disinvited. Let’s finally end the poaching co...
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madisonsmiley
Madison Scouts 2023
madisonsmiley replied to bobjective's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions..." Poaching" staff isn't going to help the Scouts given their organizational issues. Komnick got into some type of pissing match with Jim Mason, who produced a DCI championship corps, was fielding a product for the Scouts that continued to improve, was a very generous donor, and fired him. How d...
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2 hours ago, kdaddy said:
I see that Crown has been holding spring training at Gardner Webb in 2007. Phantom Regiment started holding spring training at Rockford College in 2003 and did so for a number of years thereafter.
Ahem...
"Crown adopted Phantom Regiment's spring training regime (i.e., move in to a small remote college, live in the dorms). I see posts from Crown fans bragging about all this but it's just an exact copy of what Regiment did for several years at Rockford College. I mean it makes sense because it works well but it's just exactly the same setup as that team had at Regiment."
Do I believe this? Of course not. It's as silly as the post I'm quoting.
Only makes sense if you read the original posts from the Boston fans (which actually did make it sound like it was something they invented). Anyway you are correct (and kind of making the point I was making if in a more round about way. Very silly indeed.
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2 hours ago, kdaddy said:
Great point - Crown's "brand" had as much to do with Potter & Co. as Boston's does now!
No doubt. Doesn't make it less visible though. Anyone who says "Boston looks nothing like Crown" is just taking a dip in the river in Egypt! As a Crown fan it sure is weird to see on the field and is a large part of the "Crown North" perception.
As for it happening elsewhere... SCV under Gaines did NOT look like Cavies/Gaines to me at all.
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3 hours ago, Jurassic Lancer said:
If everyone is over the Potter team leaving, why does Crown-North keep popping up in the Crown threads?
Because of exactly what started this little sidetrack: Boston fans constantly bringing up Crown. Additional reasons: (1) their shows and uniforms look precisely like Crown shows of the past (2) their admin seems to hire everyone that Crown parts ways with (most recently Hannum and Ancona). Since Crown moved on from those guys there's no angst here just an observation. (3) Boston adopted Crown's spring training regime (ie move in to a small remote college, live in the dorms, etc... I see posts from Boston fans bragging about all this but it's just an exact copy of what Crown has done for many, many years at Gardner Webb. I mean it makes sense because it works well but it's just exactly the same setup as that team had at Crown (4) It's funny as hell . How's that for a start?
And I know I'm going to get the standard reply (Boston has their own identity blah blah blah). Let me tell you -- that identity may be there internally but from everything you see publicly...well it's there for anyone to see. Sic sequitur Crown North. It's not an insult -- it's literally a description. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery I guess. <donning flame suit now>
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2 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
never said the schedule change was bad. just the petty issues.
look staff change. lets be real here....look at Cadets 16. if another corps asked if you staff was interested....would you stay there??? Money or no....if it were me...hell no!
not every decision is made solely for money. and "poaching" is such a #### word to use...staff have left to go other places since the bgeinning of time. But i'll ask again....if things were so great where someone was....why would they leave? trust me, my employer sucks some days to the point of wanting to dust off the resume. but, despite offers of more money, more this, more that....in the end i have stayed ( for now). Why? because more money doesn't always solve everything. But if the right offer came along...not necessarily money, but culture, environment...yeah i may jump.
the corporate world pays people a lot of money to go out and headhunt. Why should drum corps demand fealty and absolute loyalty to stay with one organization just because?
so yeah people left Cadets and Crown to go to Boston. Crown is still and has been in the hunt. Cadets are working their way up but lets be honest, their issues were far more off the field than on field. Hell they're luckily to still be in existence. Gino and Colin leaving didn't cause that.
Not sure why you posted all that… pretty much everyone is over the Potter team leaving. My one and only comment here was that Boston fans just can’t stop bringing up Crown. The rest of it is old news. No one cares.
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15 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
the reasons are well known to those who want to know, but don't want to necessarily air dirty laundry on here....and some folks don't want to know because they eat what is fed to them.
maybe those folks should get sent a bill trying to guilt them into paying for knowledge
People will poo-poo this but the run back to Boston after the BOA clinic sucked. Crown loved doing the parades on the 4th and all but remember there were also YEA shows to soften the blow and they just don't exist anymore. Also Crown now does two more clinics after BOA -- one in the ATL area and then one at WCU. It's actually a much better schedule than hauling ### to Boston and then heading towards to FirstBeat. So whatever the initial reasons for the change (and yes they were petty and childish) , the current tour schedule works way better for them. I don't see them going back.
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5 minutes ago, dbc03 said:
Both of you are being ridiculous
Hey man I just pointed out that it was "interesting" that only Boston fans were discussing rumors about Crown. Didny say anything like "Only Crown fans are permitted to discuss Crown" which is a ridiculous thing to say. Yeah I took the bait but hey it's the off season!
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19 minutes ago, fighterkit said:
Crown fans are fixated on Boston as well.
I think that a lot of people have posted more about Crown than Boston.
Especially when they had a better season than they have since 2017, and have had some major staff turn over.
You don't talk about a righted ship. You talk about a ship thats deviating from a known course.Lol that's the best you can you do ? " I know we are but you are too" ? To be fair that probably was true for a couple seasons after the Potter team left but the posts this off season by Crown fans contradict your assertion. In fact add during season to that assertion. Do you actually read the Crown thread (just kidding I know you do!) ? No one talks about Boston. No one cares. In fact Crown fans mostly talk about (this is shocking) Crown! Maybe GrandPa goes rogue on occasion. But we all have a family member who's a little embarrassing sometimes 🙄
As for 2023 being a huge deviation for Crown....ummm.... I mean they moved up one whole place. Huge deviation in course. Year before? 4th. In fact here's the past 5 seasons: 3,4,4,4,3. Plot the line. What course are you talking about? You're just grasping at straws here.
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The Cadets are being sued by a former member for alleged sexual abuse in the 80s
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It's a pro forma response that sounds good to school boards and administrators but has not been shown to be particularly effective. In the band and drum corps world, many (if not most) of the instructors are already educators in their real jobs. The training is mostly online courseware which is often considered more of a nuisance than effective education. And most people who are "mandated reporters" in fact fail to report anything at all.
It's a start -- but like most well-intentioned starts its falls very short of accomplishing much.