Tenoris4Jazz
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4 hours ago, scheherazadesghost said:
💯 Didn't take it that way and appreciate your saying so. Also, it's crucial that other corps cross their t's and dot their i's. I hate that my corps is splayed out for our teachable moments but might as well learn from it if nothing else.
If it makes you feel any better, my heart sank when Spirit's issues came to light. They've almost folded several times due to self-inflicted wounds, but there was enough alumnae who wanted the corps to survive even if it meant throwing everyone out and starting over. I hope SCV gets the same chance.
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35 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said:
In the successful non profits I've worked for, they answer to a wide variety of key stakeholders. This ideally includes members/customers, their loved ones, alumni, individual donors and staff first... all internal stakeholders. External stakeholders are like corporate sponsors, institutional funders, as well as local and other activity based communities.
If you don't have someone in leadership, board or staff, who has experience mitigating these oft competing stakeholders, you're gonna have a bad time. NP stakeholders are the same thing as for profit share holders, only they invest in more ways than money. But they should be treated with the same respect because they bring the boys to the yard.
Alumni are stakeholders. But you have to make sure they all have an equal voice or a clear mechanism for advancing goals fairly. As far as I can tell, most alum just want positive news exclusively. So what is the best way to accept and integrate constructive feedback when only good news is welcome?
Good info. At the companies I've worked for, if big stakeholders don't like what they see/hear, they use their checkbooks and have board members replaced with their own people. I don't see this as an option here though. Am I wrong?
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56 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said:
Still shaking my head that this is discussed with the alumni association and (from what I can tell) no where else. 🤷🏻🤯
I'm not shocked. I've worked for three companies that had some really bad times and the only reason anything ever got off the executive floor was reporting requirements for publicly traded companies. Who does the board really have to answer to? Donors? MM's and their parents? It sounds like they are acting completely out of fear and a lack of understanding specific to their situation.
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3 hours ago, jjeffeory said:
SCV is out, so that's room for TWO spots at least. I think that Colts can hold, but BK or Scouts slip in where SCV is gone. I just don't know about Crossmen, but they were talented last year, like BK, with a show design that wasn't talented...
This is how entrenched my brain is... we've been talking about SCV since last fall and yet I didn't even process leaving Vanguard out of the repeating top 12. It's so impossible for me to believe that I actually gaslighted myself.
I think the show designs are going to be the deciding factor, and that kinda sucks. It is what it is though.
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5 minutes ago, Danby510 said:
- Carolina Crown (10 years since the 1st win, it’s time again)
- Blue Devils (I mean it’s the Blue Devils, they wont drop to 3rd)
- Bluecoats (Shows are always interesting and innovative)
- Boston Crusaders (Will have a good show, but not the same level as the top 3)
- Phantom Regiment (They have ups and downs, I think they may be on the up swing again)
- Cavaliers (With lots of staff turnover they will look completely different, in a good way)
- Cadets (Will be good, not great, but not bad either)
- Blue Stars (Same as Cadets, will be good, not great, but not bad either)
- Mandarins (Will be hard to move up without more talent)
- Blue Knights (I think they have made good staffing decisions to get them back into the mix)
- Madison Scouts (I’m hoping they figure something out, I miss them in finals)
- Crossmen (Will give a decent design, just needs to get back in with some solid runs)
Honorable mention that could make it in. Troopers and Colts
I think Scouts here is a lot of wishful thinking. I only see one unit possibly dropping out of last year's top 12, and there's several corps ahead of Madison that should stay ahead of them. The top 10 from last year should be locks, Troopers should be BETTER than last year, and that only leaves one spot for Colts/Crossmen/BK/Madison.
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1 hour ago, Tim K said:
I think talent was more evenly distributed. You had your elites. Blue SCV, Phantom, and Madison with 27th and Spirit making occasional forays and later Cadets and Cavies making their way, but who would be in the top 4 from one year to the next was not a definite. At that time the theory was 1-4 after prelims had a shot at the title followed by 5-9 or sometimes 10 potentially trading places and two or three bumping usually 10, 11, and 12 bumping someone out to make finals. I remember in the early PBS broadcasts where some were shown live, it was always exciting to see who made finals and where they landed, especially where there was no Internet or cellphones so you did not know for certain who would place or where they’d land.
There was a lot of movement until 1982. From '82 to '85 it was BD, SCV, Cadets, Scouts and Phantom as the top 5, not surprisingly the start of the Cadets rise to 3 consecutive titles. Then Phantom dropped a few notches, Madison dropped a few, Suncoast came in, Cavies hit another gear, Star made their appearance... and the 8 through 14 spots were moving back and forth constantly with some old organizations making way for new ones.
I always felt it was a different vibe watching who was going to get into the top 12, maybe for the first time, versus who was going to take the title. I don't know that I've ever been as excited for a performance as I was Academy when they made Finals. That show was so special and everyone was pulling for them, it was just a very different feel.
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2 hours ago, cixelsyd said:
Maybe design is the wrong place for AI, then.
What about AI judging? Imagine - no more missing judges due to flight cancellations. Can it learn how to do slotting? Could an AI robot follow snarelines around the field without running into anybody?
Hmmmm... back in the tick system under M&M, I'll bet AI could do a #### good job of evaluating marching from one unit to the next. "Is that a smooth curve, a straight line, are those intervals uniform?" Of course you'd have to video the show from high cam and up close, then have the computer review the video for analysis. Not sure that could happen in the allotted time frame between show performances and announcing scores, but it's fun to contemplate the idea.
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26 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Regardless of who wins, what I would like to see is a season where all the design/content scores are equal, so winner is determined by performance on any given night. Imagine if order of top 5 in quarterfinals, semifinals & finals were different each night.
For those of you who found DCI after 1990, this used to happen fairly often. Competitions used to happen twice in the same day, or were preceded by a parade, so corps could be on it one show and tired/flat the next. Guardsmen '79 and Muchachos '74 are two of the greatest examples of a corps going in and just scorching the turf/melting the press box and totally blowing away 4 or 5 corps that were in front of them. The likelihood of someone this year medaling after finishing in 7th in semis is virtually impossible.
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16 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
Bluecoats 16 were the only corps to really abandon a more traditional uniform. look what happened the following year
I remember watching 'Coats win and telling my brother "Watch... there will be half the top 12 next year wearing pajamas."
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16 hours ago, ironlips said:
"...leaving the audience with a sense of both the challenges and the possibilities of revolution. "
This is really clever, creative and logical, and how (in my imagination) a show might be programmed by the android DATA from Star Trek. Next step: Leave the audience entertained.
The music selections are quite good, but carving down all that music to 11 minutes would be a helluva chore. Mars usually takes 2-3 minutes, Adagio takes at least 3 even for an outtake. Entire shows have been written for Rite of Spring. There would have to be some pieces that were literally 10-20 seconds only.
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21 minutes ago, TOC said:
Please don't tell us you're wearing white sox instead.
White ankle socks are acceptable. I don't wear anything else except dress socks.
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1 minute ago, 84BDsop said:
There's a difference between a 10 to 10 with sufficient food and rest built into the schedule and one with a lack of the same.
Tiger Woods was pretty well prepared for a round of golf in competition, including all the water he wanted and bag full of sandwiches and snacks. He has been quoted saying he used to lose between 4 and 8 pounds during an 18 hole competitive round. Ratchet that up to 40-42 holes in a day and you're looking at... 12-15 pounds? The DCI summer weight management program!!!
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9 minutes ago, OldSnareDrummer said:
Here too, but then again, marching in squads and obliques and an occasional company front and especially for me, marching up and down the 50 isn't the same as running, dancing, gymnastics moves at 150 BPM and hauling around 200 lb props.
I've watched several videos that were shot by GoPro's or the like being worn by drummers or horn players. It is amazing that they can do what they're doing and manage to play more than 50% of the book. I'd love to see some MM's post the step counts from a rehearsal. I'd bet some of them put my day at Disneyworld to shame.
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4 minutes ago, ZTWright said:
UIL already does this for Texas marching bands, limiting after school rehearsals to 8 hours per week beginning the Tuesday after Labor Day.
This was our regular schedule when I was in high school 35 years ago. M-W 3 to 5, Th 7 to 9
I live not far from a large high school that used to finish in the top 5 of BOA grand nationals every year. No way they were keeping to an 8 hr/wk schedule... I could hear it. They were marching on asphalt too.
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9 minutes ago, Lance said:
I'd love to see limits on megaprop usage in DCI but it's not going to happen.
They would have to police themselves and we all know that's not happening already.
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2 hours ago, MGCpimpOtimp said:
The vast majority of injuries in the activity are from overuse because of the insane rehearsal schedules. It's not that the shows are too demanding, it's that (almost all) drum corps still insist on rehearsing 6 days + in a row for 12 hours a day...No other collegiate or professional level sport does that.
If the shows aren't so demanding, then why all the rehearsal time?
I think it's like running an option offense in football. You have about a dozen plays and you run them over and over and over and over... until the execution is perfect 99% of the time. Well, that takes a toll on the players, but football teams rotate backs and linemen to give them rest. DCI doesn't do that. It's the same 150 or so members doing all the run throughs, all the sectionals, all the basics, all the time.
I think ultimately it's not design... it's the intense desire for that last performance to be as close to perfect as the MM's can make it. In the interests of the long term health and well being of the members, maybe the entire activity will have to start accepting a lower performance level of a high concept design, or a better performance of less of a design.
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11 hours ago, Vidal28Rdg said:
I always wondered why some all-timers’ careers before my time been cut relatively short. Not that the issue still isn’t happening today in football, in a sport where there is as much violent contact, you still have two notable examples of Andrew Luck and Calvin Johnson to look at in what are considered “early unexpected retirements”. You don’t really see that as much in sports like the NBA, aside from a more increasing rate of injuries lately, match congestion is an increasingly hot topic issue in the world of international and club football, etc, etc. The situation is very complex. The concept of Father Time and an athlete’s internal and continually downward ticking clock ‘till their body gives out is something that has been definitely looked at in sports all over, where the more laborious and strenuous activity done in extensively tightly packed bunches without recovery can contribute to increased risk of injury, both acute and chronic that massively reduce the clock that an athlete may have been on pace for previously, I’d say that working in the continually more intense summers that our MM’s work in is added risk along to that. Some athletes’ bodies are more on the extreme ends of the curve when it comes to height, and several other factors, those concerns increase and the risk for shortened careers are ever-greater.
These are mainly some discussions I’ve seen in the world of sports that are still fairly applicable to this area, physical exertion and wear and tear is a price that’s paid to do this activity so it’s worth seeing what the more “global” conversations are in the world of athletics to see how those problems are being addressed, or maybe even neglected in some cases to where the DCI governing body continues to move the needle more towards member health and safety.There is an obvious conflict that is going to come from any focus on member health and safety: show demands vs. healthy and safe activity. The best way to cut down on broken down bodies from marching is to cut back on the demand level in the show. Show designers will have to live with leaving something (a lot?) on the editing room floor in the interests of not pushing the MM's into injuries.
The NFL used to put out videos with nothing but "bone-crunching hits" that are now illegal... and they were the most popular videos to fans.
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7 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
And maybe that lack of funds led to less staff than there could have been too
No, my mother worked at the superintendent's office for the school system and their intent was to have two directors that served the high school and the middle school. One year they had only two directors who handled 6th grade starter band classes, both middle school bands, the marching band and two concert bands.
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14 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
no. band directors have a lot on their plates now and many have families they'd like to see. when it first started becoming a thing to buy indoor percussion shows, we jumped on the Box6 train...and our family lives were much better
I'm just a different generation. We went to maybe 2 shows in the fall and 1 trip in the spring every other year. We just didn't lose when we went. Our primary purpose was to entertain at halftime of football games. The band travelled more in the '60's and '70's, but by the time I got there, the money had dried up.
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13 hours ago, gbass598 said:
Not to be that guy but most band directors now for large programs are more managers than teachers. staff does the teaching, directors oversee the teaching. Directors coordinate with show designers, plan schedules, obtain buses and truck drivers, make sure equipment is ordered and bills get paid. They generally don't have time or energy to also write the music.
I really can't comprehend that, I guess. My HS band marched 212 members one year with just 2 directors. There was a percussion instructor that was a recent grad, and colorguard instructor, but that wasn't full time. The majorettes (wow, I'm really dating myself with that one!!!) were instructed by a local dance instructor. All teaching, rehearsing and admin stuff was done by two guys.
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6 hours ago, LabMaster said:
Curious on how SCV is doing on their road to 2024. Has there been any update on an ED or BOD fix? Is the org clear with the State of Cali AG? How is the non profit status currently? Are the cacophony of issues that have been raised by DCP’rs improved or action taken on?
2 hours ago, jameseuph said:I’m not optimistic there is a road to 2024.
At this point, it might be the best thing if there isn't a road to 2024. They need a LOT of time to get their #### together.
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1 hour ago, karuna said:
Well said.
Just to add to another miscomprehension: the other skater wasn't "perfect" . No performance (musical or otherwise) is "perfect". Human performance is dynamic, adaptive and expressive which by their very nature are contrary to "perfection".
I beg to differ. Gymnasts perform routines on the vault which, by definition, can be performed "perfectly." Perfect runup, perfect springboard, perfect tumbling in the air, and stick the landing without a bobble. THAT IS A PERFECT PERFORMANCE.
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27 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
I've been the lone judge that has called a show before. More than once actually. I can say as an adjudicator, I'm never intentionally trying to call a show, but in applying the criteria and what I saw that particularly night, I gave the scores I felt were justified and it has called the show in the end of it. I can also say that no judge ever actually wants to be the one that ends up calling a show.
When you see the example provided, the sores being that close, the judges are saying either one of the top 2 could have won any given night. But on this night, Pulse won. Remember scores are a point in time, they aren't indicative of a larger success of a group. I think it's why it's more wise to award the caption awards at DCI based on the average and not the finals night score.
Here's where I will vocally disagree. The point in time that is most critical, most important, the one the entire season builds up to, and the only one that most people will remember is Saturday night, DCI Finals. The best brass line at Finals wins the Ott, etc... Performing well on Thursday and Friday is great, but if you don't produce Saturday night, you don't deserve a trophy.
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12 minutes ago, DAvery said:
They were very good but kind of curious why they used area mics. I don’t think a wind group that size on a gym floor really needs to be louder.
Agreed. An ensemble that size should be easily heard all the way up to the rafters.
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Per the California Attorney General Vanguard is operating illegally as a non profit
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Bill Cook funded Star for the first few years entirely, but he also had them develop the charter bus company that Star used during the tour and then ran, as a fund raising business, the rest of the year to whomever needed buses. By 1987 or '88, the charter service basically paid all of Star's bills. They also bought brand new King bugles and never bought more horns. Star had them refurbished every year by the manufacturer. Right up until 1993 they were still the best sounding horns on tour.