Tenoris4Jazz
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Is she now the youngest performer ever to win a world championship?
Without her there's no way BD would have closed the GE gap as quickly as they did, she did an amazing job.
Similar question... did I hear correctly at the theater that one of the guard members for BD who aged out had spent 15 years in the organization? Jeff Kievit marched with the Muchachos for 14 years and thought he had the longest tenure in Jr. Corps history, but that was all actual field and parade time. Did someone actually spend 15 years marching in the C, B, and A corps???
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Her coming out made someone I was with cry. He said the music and just her gave him the feels. I had goosebumps from when she came out to the end Best GE of the season and brought the show full circle.
This is interesting to me. At my theater watching prelims, the overwhelming response was that it was a cheesy gimmick and they were trying too hard to make up GE. I thought it was just the person I was talking to, but another 8-10 people said the same thing. My initial reaction was just "How young is she????".
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I can remember when I first heard of Spirit of Atlanta. DCN and DCW (the days of multiple publications) were both on sale at CYO Nationals and the big news was a new corps that would probably make finals, the first time, a first for a new corps. This was 1977. It didn't happen and wouldn't till Star, but the drum corps community was abuzz. When they did make finals 8th in prelims, 6th in finals, it was only a matter of time till they won, and while the highest they placed was 4th, in 1980 they were within a point of 1st place. 1980 was Jim Ott's passing.
Since 1980, the criticism was Spirit is no longer Spirit. Yes they had some excellent shows, and a famous miss (Petroushka) which I did not think was as much of a miss as others did. The JSU days followed, then the 200'0's, and 2011, 2012, 2013 finals performances and recent years.
I see Sprit not having an identity, but identities that are somewhat closely related. I'm also not certain Jim Ott and the first staff of Spirit wanted a southern style as much as a strong brass sound and a southern style allowed this to happen. So my hope for Spirit as they move forward is recapturing that magical and powerful brass sound. If southern music makes this happen, great, but 2011-2013 were not particularly southern, at least in my opinion, but they worked.
If you've never read the stories of Spirit's "birth", go find them and read them. IMHO, what made Spirit "Spirit" was Freddy Martin and Jim Ott. Freddy was the engineer and Jim was the engine. Everyone who played under Jim will tell you they would have gone to the brink of death to play for him, to make him happy about their performance. In a way, what Spirit was meant to be, what it looked like it was going to be, died that day with Jim. The future, the identity of the corps even, was ripped away from them very cruelly. Freddy managed to rewrite their identity and had some very good success in the 80's, but the momentum that was there from 1978 until July 8, 1980 went away and was never to return.
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The percussion score is added with Brass and Music Analysis and then divided by 2 though.
If percussion were to be taken out for Finals and Brass and MA were added together and converted to be out of 30 points (multipled by 0.75), Crown would have won Music by 0.3 (39.4 to 39.1)
But when then adding that to the overall GE and Visual scores Crown would have still lost, but by 0.125 not the 0.575 they really did lose by.
I agree the percussion score was a huge factor, but so was Visual Analysis. That 18.8 (ranked 4th) is tough for Finals and landed them 0.55 back of BD in Visual
Oh, now you're gonna make me open up the excel sheet and start entering formulas!!!
I actually broke the recap down into "Content" vs. "Achievement" scores to try and get the picture from a design vs. execution view. Devils were higher in design in all three captions and execution in 2/3. The only one Crown won was GE achievement, which I think everyone would concede. I see that as BD pulled their show together better and performed it better technically, no small thanks to an unreal effort from that drumline.
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I'll throw my 2 cents in on this, since I'm 1) an accountant, 2) a statistics nut, and 3) a drum corps fan going back to the early 80's.
I've been tearing apart the recap sheet since Sunday AM. What I noticed was a lot of 1st place scores on BD's sheet regardless of the actual numerical score, however close they might have been. If you win 12 subcaption scores by 99-98, that adds up. Crown had only 8 subcap victories, so there's a few tenths right there. BD's edge in visual was negated by Crown's edge in brass and MA. But as an accountant, I look at the final gap and the percussion gap and go, "That's it, right there." Devils won percussion by 0.7 and overall by 0.6. Throw out the percussion score and Crown wins by the .1 gap in overall GE.
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Okay, this just helped me to decide where I'm writing the first check after I win the lottery. I'll just bankroll a new board.
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Why? Neither one of those shows got close to the crowd reaction that BD or Crown got.
My bad... I got the percussion and GE awards mixed up.
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EXTREMELY surprised that the Sanford did not go to Cadets or SCV
Why? Neither one of those shows got close to the crowd reaction that BD or Crown got.
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I had to stay off the forum because of bandwidth issues (darn kids watching old Pink Panther cartoons all night) but I have to say this is the most awesome finals I've seen since my first one in '84.
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Crown...just wow.
The white cover at the end a la SCV is the icing on the cake.
What a season to be a DCI fan. I am very sad it is coming to an end. Let's hope they're able to sell some videos and CDs so we can relive this.
cd's and bluray are going on my wish list for Santa
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They've never performed this early in the history of ever. Early step off time jitters. :P
Not since '91
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Best top 12 as well - great shows top to bottom
Yep. Best year of DCI in ages...
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sounds PERFECT - similar set up here - 7.1 surround of drum corps sound = pure bliss
No. Feed is 100% starting with Cavaliers, up to Phantom at this point.
I am listening with speakers tonight. BIG ones, from Klipsch with a 15" subwoofer. The sound is spectacular. I have good dynamics, drums are ear splitting with rim shots and the horns sound live! at the levels I have cranked.
Yes, I am listening loud.
My 2 year old is asleep on the sofa and the 4 year old and 6 year old are going to sleep upstairs. I'm missing out on 280 watts of stereo to let them sleep.
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1.4 sounds a bit wonky too...not sure how they assess these things...that would have really sucked!
Should be 140 seconds, at .1 per 10 seconds over
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So...the big questions for the next block are:
1. Will Cavies rebound?
2. Will PR stick it to BK?
3. Which one of the top 4 will...come out on top?
1. Yes, but I don't see them advancing a spot
2. Maybe...
3. I'm calling for a tie between the top 4!!!!
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Gawd tell me there's a chat somewhere full of true drum corps fans. The youtube chat is filled with little baby girls...
Well, this place is full of us old farts, so pick your poison!
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There are some of us that don't have three days to sit in front of the computer and watch DCI. I have one evening, and to me, it's not worth it to pay $79 for that.
Unfortunately, they're counting on you to want it so badly you'll do it at the last minute. I wasn't going to the theater show this year, but after seeing everybody at the Ga Dome, I had to. Of course the theater ticket was only $12.
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But the people that do that usually whip out their phones before the show is completely over. That's what the bando twirps next to me last night were doing. The interpretation of "No cell phones" turns into "I can text between shows" then to "I can text whenever I think they are about to end the show. Who cares."
That's when I turn and tell them "If you want that thing to still work in 30 seconds, turn it off and put it away." Of course I'm six foot and 290, so when a 15 year old looks at me, fear is the usual response.
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Savoy 16 (basically Champaign, IL). 12 Young People came in after intermission and talked incessantly between and during performances. Yelling between rows of seats, getting up during corps, etc. I moved and it wasn't as bad
Where the h#ll are the parents??? I was surprised there was nobody under 20 at my theater, but school just started this week so I doubt anybody was allowed to go out all night on a school night.
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Movie tavern in Fort Worth. Mostly all adults, a smattering of kids here and there but all were respectful. I got to sip a beer, eat dinner and watch drum corps all night (no video or sound issues in our theater). Good audience reactions and cheering at right moments and for favorite moments and corps.
My only complaint would be the camera work. I think we saw a minute total of Colts drill and marching because the camera shots focused on the three characters in the guard and close ups of the radio show actors the entire time. Missed big hit moments and final moments of closer action because of close ups of individuals throughout the night. Why do we not get high camera for these things if we are supposed to have an experience as though we are in the stands?
That all depends on where you sit at a show. If you sit down closer, you see individual people and more of the detail. I sat 15 rows up at the Ga Dome on the 45. You can't see the forms, but you get your face peeled off by the sound! The direction of the shots last night was pretty bad. Two or three close ups per performance is enough. The rest of the time should be mid range shots that show particular areas and high cam.
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This year has been amazing in terms of shows that appeal to my drum corps senses. Up and down the line, I love way more than I don't love. That is a great sign for the future.
As I watched in the theater last night, watching all of the corps in succession, I was blown away by the contrast in styles across the board. From a Madison and Phantom and even Cavaliers, with shows that use fewer props, to Blue Stars and BAC, and others using a lot of props. The contrast in styles, and the overall high level of execution is pretty #### amazing and really makes me care less about scores.
Last year there was a crazy old man that thought he should use a complaint to the IRS as a threat to Dan Acheson in order to bring DCI back to the "old days". I followed these maroons on Facebook purely because it is highly entertaining to see the garbage they come up with each day. They contend that "back in the day, you could close your eyes and you would know who was on the field by the style of music and the way they played", and you cant do that anymore. They could not be more wrong. I could pick them all out by just listening last night, but watching is so much better!! Because each corps does this differently......and it is awesome!
Just felt like typing this morning. Enjoy the next two days everyone. It is going to be exciting!!!
I listen to old DCI shows all the time. I own the Legacy cd's and have every Finals show from 1972 to 2006. I just listen, because I'm at work, or in the car, or doing yard work and can't watch. Within the last 10 years, it became less enjoyable because the sound went from 95% of a show to about 50%. I walked out of the Ga Dome in 2011 pi**ed because I didn't enjoy any of the music from the top corps. Well, the sport has fully transitioned to where you HAVE to see a show to really enjoy it, and that's a GOOD thing! If it detracts from the live performance to make the show "listenable" years later, then don't worry about it. What DCI has become is EXACTLY why the original 7 broke away from the VFW/American Legion and their iron fist of rules and requirements. These kids are creating ART... #### good art. It's a multimedia age and DCI is embracing it 100%! I cannot believe the level of performance and achievement this year all the way through the top 15, and they're not the same styles. Everyone is different and that's amazing!
If you prefer the old stuff, do what I do and buy the cd's and dvd's and play them from September through May. Come June though, whip out the credit card, buy yourself some tickets and see it live, even if it's in a theater. You can still fondly remember what drum corps was... but to not embrace what it has become is just a waste.
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The CONSTANT changing of camera angles in DCI vid's have bugged me for years, and this year is no different. WE ARE NOT CHILDREN WHO HAVE ADHD! We don't WANT a new camera angle every 5 seconds, literally.
We are adults and sometimes the high cam view is NEEDED for 20 seconds or so to allow formations to be viewed as intended by the designers.
To add to this, why must they do close ups on the singers? They're singing, we get it. Show what's going on around them please!
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Loudest chord of 2015?
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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In 1987 I saw the show in Sevierville where the Blue Devils won. I sat in the 10th row right around the 50 for their encore (horn arc only, no marching). Those were G bugles and it was so loud it literally hurt my ears. Loved every second of it!!!