Tenoris4Jazz
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15 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said:
We weren't told about the soft ending in 04 until just before we put it in really late season.
I think the staff was hoping for a GE boost to raise our score.
It didn't work, but being the darling show that year meant it didn't matter that much. And the soft ending was perfect.
Listen/watch to SCV 1983. First time someone ended a championship contending show quietly. I remember hearing people say that raised the stakes going forward. You had to have confidence and guts to go out "P" instead of "FFFFF".
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10 minutes ago, Tenoris4Jazz said:
It's more than theoretical... I'm pretty sure I've got recaps that show it! I'll try and find the one or two I'm thinking of and post a link to them.
6 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:If it ever happens at DCI finals the 💩 would hit the fan.
Come to think of it, I don't recall a winner ever NOT winning a caption. Finishing tied or 2nd in a bunch, but never coming up totally empty.
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1 hour ago, OldSnareDrummer said:
I wonder if the girl that dropped that thing is still in therapy.
Whomever made that last tick ( I blame a horn player -no way it was a drummer ) before the 11 1/2 minute execution gun went off has been quiet and in hiding for 45 years now.
Hmmm... SCV finished a tenth ahead of PR in prelims but the penalty made them even. PR's guard got a perfect score too. Flipped the penalty for finals.
I hope she only required therapy. Donnie Moore gave up the home run to Dave Henderson in the '86 ALCS that cost the Angels the series and he committed suicide less than 3 years later.
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7 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
It is theoretically possible to be second in all captions and still win if the caption winners are spread among several other Corps.
It's more than theoretical... I'm pretty sure I've got recaps that show it! I'll try and find the one or two I'm thinking of and post a link to them.
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20 hours ago, Tenoris4Jazz said:
Oh man, Madison's version of Stars & Stripes in '76 was 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Every single part of that chart was killing it!
20 hours ago, MikeN said:Glassmen in '96 was the last time I think anyone tried Sousa on the field? They played Stars and Stripes as their warmup then hit the end right after the opening announcement. Played the piccolo part on bass drums too.
Mike
Just finished listening to Arthur Fiedler and the Boston Pops "Stars & Stripes Forever" album. So cool to hear so many marches I knew from DCI that had been charted pretty much note for note from the originals!
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4 hours ago, 84BDsop said:
Our run was definitely better than prelims...but BD is typically good at turning it on Saturday night.
Cadets at the time -- and for years after -- were masters of peaking at the right time. However, I've had a number of alums from that show tell me they felt their prelims run was the "golden show." They thought they'd LOST finals, so topping us was a surprise (#### it).
SCV had a good run....but after they almost screwed the pooch at prelims (arrived to the gate late -- at a dead run), that was easy to do.
I think it's fitting that La Fiesta was the last true concert in DCI. That's one of the most electric charts and performances in drum corps history!
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On 4/4/2023 at 10:41 AM, IllianaLancerContra said:
As a low brass guy, I fully support and actively endorse the idea of a Sousa show. Sousa wrote excellent low brass parts. And Sousa is in Public Domain.
Oh man, Madison's version of Stars & Stripes in '76 was 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Every single part of that chart was killing it!
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20 hours ago, jwillis35 said:
In 1990 The Cadets did not have their closer on the field for a good portion of the first half of the summer. When they added the z-pull, then rewound the z-pull, then opened to an S-pull that gave them a perfect show closer. Not sure how much that propelled them but it didn't hurt. The marching was so clean with that show and they played a difficult music book very well. They were likely going to be top 3 just on captions alone, but that ending definitely helped.
51 minutes ago, MikeN said:I'm glad you brought this show up - it gets short shrift in the pantheon of legendary Cadets programs, but man it delivered across the board.
Mike
I was there in Birmingham in 1990 when they finished behind SCV and Star. I turned to my brother and said "If they can finish putting that together before Finals, that show can win."
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2 hours ago, Zeke said:
Was it the Brass and Visual captions on Saturday night?
Brass, Visual and GE. '87 was the year they did Swan Lake and Nutcracker and wore all white uniforms. It was very elegant and very powerful, but something happened Saturday night and it just fell flat. Because of the low finish in '86 they went on before any of the other top 8 corps on Friday, so they blew away everything the judges had seen up to that point in Semis. Cavies went on right before Phantom at Finals and practically won Visual, so Phantom just looked worse by comparison. They fell from 3rd to 6th in GE.
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13 hours ago, Chief Guns said:
Speaking of 2004, how about BD adding the train leaving the station effect when the corps just marched off the field finals night.
Then there's the mother of all late additions: 1987 Cadets. As I recall, they ended the show all season with the collapsing company front back into a full front sideline park 'n blow... and then at Finals they quietly leave the field while the soprano solo gets drowned out by the crowd screaming. The little extra bit of GE that got them ahead of SCV.
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1988 - Madison dominated on Friday and almost got so sloppy Saturday that SCV upset them
2015 - Crown; the solo mic, the visual issues and a general lack of the emotional impact that they had Thursday and Friday doomed them.
1983 - Cadets laid an egg on Friday and came out balls to the wall at Finals; one of the great performances in DCI history
1984 - Cadets/BD/SCV WOW!!!! Any other year all three of these were championship shows. The legend of West Side Story exists though for a reason.
1983 - Sky Ryders did everything to get back into Finals, then just went flat as a pancake on Saturday night
1979 - Guardsmen - barely edged out Troopers and Crossmen for 11th in semis and then blew the doors off the place at Finals. Went from 8th to 3rd in GE brass!
1987 - Phantom was a strong 3rd in prelims and fell off in everything except percussion at Finals to drop back to a distant 5th
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I'm amazed no one has mentioned this yet... SCV in '82. Even thought Bottle Dance turned into a nightmare, it was 100 times better than the closer they used all year. I only saw the original show for the first time last year, and I was NOT impressed with the ending.
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On 4/8/2023 at 7:16 PM, KVG_DC said:
Clara tied the show together for me in a big way. Ink obviously "had a reader" but making the audience the reader didn't quite work all season for me for some reason I couldn't quite place.
Then they had Clara come out of the book and walk around in wonder and I was, "OH! That's is BRILLIANT"
Interesting, because I had the opposite reaction... "Oh man, what a cheesy gimmick!" I liked BD's show okay, but I LOVED Crown's show so much better. BD just did their thing and nailed the Finals performance and Crown didn't.
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On 4/5/2023 at 4:33 PM, OldSnareDrummer said:
Crown's hide-a-corps closer in '15 was a pretty cool change. Just not enough to beat Clara.
Had it been as clean as Friday's show, it would have been enough.
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On 4/7/2023 at 11:47 AM, Phantom56 said:
I enjoy seeing the kids faces and hairstyles. Makes for a more personal experience for me.
I guess this is where the different preference comes in. I prefer the MM's to be nameless, faceless cogs in the total machine that is the drum corps unit. I don't want it to be "personal." That probably comes from a background in football where we emphasized the team over the individual and no one had their name on their jersey.
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On 3/22/2023 at 8:50 PM, JimF-LowBari said:
Keep reading about CA residents marching CA corps. Sure CA has lot of potential members and music programs. What’s forgotten is how huge CA is in size. And with BD and SCV close together (and Sacramento driving distance) just don’t see potential members at other ends of the state saying “yeah I’m going to march there just because it’s in my state.
Don't know if someone pointed this out already... the distance from the wealthy suburbs of LA to Concord/Santa Clara is about 325 miles. Draw a circle with a 325 mile radius around Rockford, Atlanta, Rock Hill, Rosemont, Canton, Allentown and Boston. That's a TON of talent inside those circles. That's the equivalent of Phantom drawing people from Kansas City/St. Louis/Louisville/Indianapolis/Cincinnati/Columbus/Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee/Minneapolis. Geographically speaking, the SF/SJ/Sacramento area is actually isolated from any other population centers other than Reno/Fresno/Bakersfield. Even Vegas is further away from Santa Clara than LA.
My point is, there may be a lot of people in Cali, but the population centers are quite a ways apart. If you're not drawing from the Bay area, your members are either driving 4 hours each way or flying in.
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I can't remember the exact year (somewhere between 2005 and 2011) but it rained so hard in Atlanta that the noise from the rain pelting the roof at the Ga Dome was louder than the corps on the field.
Going back to 1985, my high school went to a competition at the end of fall in Alabama. We drove through the remnants of a hurricane to get there and arrived to find the football field had mudholes in it a foot deep! At least a dozen shoes were lost that day, plenty of flags were ruined, and some band's poor majorettes had to roll around and lay on the ground during their show. White uniforms too!
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On 2/19/2023 at 8:47 AM, Mello Dude said:
Woodwinds won't save anything and in fact will kill any identity drum corps still has. Also, the maintenance on woodwinds would be beyond the patience of many. Drum corps is not easy on equipment.
Speaking as a former sax player, woodwind upkeep is no joke. Broken keys, rotted out pads, a thousand reeds, and yes... water damage. Plus, it takes an entire section to match the volume of a single trumpet. It's just not viable beyond a couple of mic'd up instruments in the pit.
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11 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
Exactly. Every suggestion for lowering costs has a ‘special interest group’ arrayed against it. Get rid of electronics or props - offend the avant-garde; shorten tour- offend fans who want more local shows; raise tuition- make Drum Corps even more of a rich-kids activity. And so on.
This is the problem. DCI has tried to be all things to all people and that doesn't work. It never does. Right now it's an avant-garde fringe activity that's pushed itself into a corner where it requires more money to run that it can generate on its own. The NFL made concessions for safety, baseball changed the basic rules of the game to attract a younger audience... DCI needs to go where the money is and that's that. If that means indoor orchestra providing the backdrop for a dance troupe... then do it.
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On 2/18/2023 at 2:37 PM, OldSnareDrummer said:
Doesn't appear to be anything but a 2023 update and alumni corps forming.
The 2023 Alumni corps plans to perform at least three shows in the Atlanta area in 2023 and is looking forward to building towards a performance at the 2025 Drum Corps International World Championships. This event will kick off the corps' 50th Anniversary in 2026.
If this happens, I will pay for whatever streaming format exists just to see the end of the show... 'cause you KNOW what's coming!!!!
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24 minutes ago, Lance said:
First time I was exposed to DCI was as a freshman in high school. Got me into music more than band classes ever did. Started going to the library and checking out cassette tapes (yes I'm old) of anything and everything that I loved on the field, and that just kept opening me up to more and more new stuff across the music spectrum. I didn't pursue music professionally, but it's a constant source of joy in my life and I owe it all to DCI in many ways.
This.
My older brother marched in the high school band when I was just learning to play in 6th grade. My first shows were from a tv taping of the 1980 PBS broadcast. I was hooked. Later on I picked up on the original music the DCI shows were arranging from... jazz, swing, classical, all of it. I have an enormously varied music library and I owe it all to DCI.
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18 minutes ago, Lance said:
Make everything smaller and move everything inside. So, make it WGI with a handful of mic'd brass and probably woodwinds and strings. Everything that's happened in the past 15 years in terms of scoring and design has led towards it, and struggling with finances is a big catalyst to make it happen.
It's not a matter of if but when, IMO.
If this is the case, they'll have to call it something else. Drum corps will be dead the moment it leaves the football field. I know I sound overly dramatic, but football is played on a football field, even if it's 60 yards long and indoors. Basketball is played on a court, even if it's a run at Rucker Park. Soccer is played... well, anywhere there's a ball and something serving as a goal. Drum corps is performed (I hesitate to say "marched" these days) on a parade field or football field, be it NFL, NCAA or high school.
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Elon Musk has reported that he's donated 12 million shares of Tesla to charity, including $1.9 billion worth last year.
5% of that would be $95 million, and a "trust fund" for DCI for decades.
This is the kind of thing that DCI needs to start looking for.
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1 minute ago, C.Holland said:
that's not how this works anymore. How many times do you see ads for "WE NEED A STAR (insert skillset)". Snare, Rifle, Dancer, Lead Trumpet... pick your poison. The higher talent level you have, the less time teaching the basics you need to do, and the more time you spend teaching the show.
This isn't new either. North Star wrote shows for Jerry Noonan. Spirit had sop parts from 1978-1985 that weren't "taught", they just had Hunter Moss. The last time I really saw a mass teaching experience was BD in '14 when the entire trumpet line had to learn to triple tongue.
How often is the finals performance the BEST performance of a corps ?
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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I found it. 1981 Vanguard won M&M by 0.05 and finished 2nd in drums, brass and GE. BD finished 2nd in M&M and 1st in 8 of 9 subcaptions in brass and GE. SCV got perfect scores in Degree of Excellence for Drums and Drum GE. Devils drum line finishing 9th cost them a title.