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1 minute ago, cadet93 said:
Tarps?
Must be a new change. I’m wondering what the other changes are too.
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3 hours ago, Ghost said:
Only problem currently is that there are fewer entertaining shows.
This really hits the nail on the head for me. I’ve been thinking about this thread so much throughout the day. For me, it’s not really the visuals I take such an issue with. It’s the lack of musicality. It’s the stand still play insane runs - scatter set/body movement to percussion - stand still play insane runs to percussion - stand still insane runs....repeat over and over and over. I don’t know. I have been bored to death 2014-2016, then I really enjoyed 2017 and 2018, and now I find 2019 the most boring season since my first season (‘84).
The main problem I have, on the visual side, is with the props. The thing I love about Crown this year is the same thing I love about the Blue Stars. IMO these two play the most difficult music, continuously, while marching challenging drill. They I outright laugh at the Blue Stars with that ridiculous prop and the members sliding down slides. Really? This is the best you can do? Do you really think audience members are thinking “wow” when they slide down the slides. Then, there’s Vanguard with the ladders just so people can climb up them and doing nothing. Then there’s Crown’s props, which I just don’t understand their purpose other than framing. Regiment’s props are ugly, stationary and pointless. BAC doesn’t do anything interesting with theirs either. It’s like “Oh, wow, some horn players are up on pegs, that’s so cool.” Not. Bluecoats are a big old mess. It’s gotten so out of hand. The most successful props were Bluecoats 2016, Vanguard 2018 and Devils 2019.
So...yeah, I’m bored to death by everyone but Crown and Devils, essentially.
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7 hours ago, ThePlanets said:
True. The SCV show as a whole isn't necessarily better than Crowns I was just referring to the music book.
Don't necessarily think they should be ahead of Crown in 8/12 captions. I'm not a guard person though and Crown scored 3rd in guard- so I'm sure that's a contributor to their visual scores.
12 out of 16 captions. Vanguard's guard is definitely better than Crown's and that just won't change. Crown needs to beat SCV in brass and come close in percussion. If they do, that could make music a wash. Then they need to take them in visual, but guard is going to hinder that. If Vanguard wins guard (which they are capable of doing) and Crown places 6th in guard (which is a very big possibility) or lower, then they will not take Vanguard in visual. Music and Visual bleed into GE so if Vanguard tops them in those captions, then in all likelihood they will top them in GE. Catching Vanguard is their only way into the top 3.
I would have Crown ahead of Vanguard in at least all the content captions in GE and Visual (except guard) and close in brass. I'm not a judge. Obviously, the judges see more in Vanguard's show right now, and that is just unlikely to change.
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8 hours ago, cixelsyd said:
Oh, the irony.
By your standards, Jim Mason would be a drum corps footnote in your world. He inherited a top-25 drum corps, and as director/program coordinator/brass arranger, took them straight out of the top 25 for five years. If you were advising Colts in the early 1980s, that is when his drum corps career would have ended. If you were advising Star of Indiana at their inception, they would never have hired him.
That's irrelevant we're talking about 2019 and not 1980. We're also talking about an 8th place corps rather than a 25th place corps. When Mason left, the Colts were back in the top 25. Mason has proven his worth. He proved his worth with Star and obviously Cook saw something in Mason in '85. He took a corps that didn't exist to 10th place in its very first year, a championship in its 7th season, and iconic status. That's incredible. He didn't do it alone, but he was smart enough to put the right pieces in place. He was smart enough to listen to other people's expertise. He did it again in Madison, although perhaps with less success. He left CK and DP a corps that was in a very good position to have a bright future from a competitive standpoint and one that was relevant. CK and DP have completely destroyed the corps he left them. I'm all for all gender inclusion (I think it's great news and I support it), but let's be real - this is nothing more than another desperate attempt. If the Scouts were fighting for top 5 I very much doubt they wouldn't remain all male. Honestly, it's entire laughable that you would make such a comparison between JM and CK and DP. An absolute success vs miserable failures. STOP defending them - you're part of the problem.
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7 minutes ago, swmstom said:
I'm not advocating for firing mid tour...that would be insane. But the argument of "who would take over" or "you have to have someone ready" as a reason for not making that move following the tour is equally insane.
Absolutely. Something has to be done.
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8 hours ago, Incognito365 said:
My how you've changed your song over the last week.
Perhaps because I know it's almost impossible to over come a 8 tenth gap when you're amongst the very top (the corps at the very top just don't have enough weaknesses for that to happen). So yeah, I don't think Vanguard is going to catch Bluecoats, I don't think Crown is going to catch Vanguard, I don't think BAC is going to catch Crown, and I think BD is either 1st or 2nd. Vanguard just met up with Bluecoats a week ago, so yeah, I have changed my tune I guess.
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7 hours ago, Incognito365 said:
My how you've changed your song over the last week.
How so?
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And, you're making me really sad because I so do miss Star.
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5 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:
Any person with a strong opinion is the best person to ask.
Things you need to account for is how difficult it is from a breathing, phrasing and tone perspective when you're playing really exposed music like Star did in '91 and especially '93 and moving like that. Errors are so blatant because it's so difficult. You have to worry about dressing really difficult drill, marching in step, being where you are supposed to be, and playing. Super hard. Then you hit the ballad and have to come almost to a full stop with your entire being and have control after running like crazy. Go run a mile then come back and try to play a horn ballad with beautiful tone and great phrasing. Really, really, really hard to do.
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30 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said:
No... not exactly, but okay.
The premise is that the choice to play while on the move has not changed given the difficulty/accessibility of the drill and music. i.e. Star in '91 doesn't do anything that BD doesn't do in 2014 and vice versa. The choices in motion and playing have the same motivation across time and the marching is not only comparable on a subjective level... it's objectively identical on the level of member responsibility.
Are these your videos? If so, good job. I find them very interesting. What a fun project for you. I'd be also interested in seeing you time how long hornlines play today versus yesterday - the majority of the hornline together, ignoring small ensembles.
It's not so much how they are doing it today, it's what they are doing today? I honestly just find it mostly boring. I remember when you could go to quarters, semis and definitely finals and be excited and entertained throughout. Now, when I watch Flo, I intend to fully tune in but find myself doing other stuff, while trying to watch, unless I want to see a specific corps. It's like a brass concerto with the percussion serving as the orchestra and the brass as a piano or violin.
I'm just honestly so bored with 2019. The only shows I like are BD and Crown (I don't even like BAC anymore). Bluecoats are ok. Vanguard I'll always watch just because I'm a Vanguard homer, but it's SO OBVIOUS that corps and designing their shows for the judges and not the fans.
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1 minute ago, HolyNOLA said:
Yulp. Cadets 99, 00, 01, SCV 99, 00, 01, Cavaliers 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04. Even Boston during that time period. Let's compare athleticism of those shows vs today.
Star 1990-1993. Crown for a number of years. When you look at Star’s 1991 it is amazing. Playing difficult music at breakneck speeds. Really hard to maintain intonation and breath control. That’s why 1990 Star was so rough out of the gate. As soon as they got a few shows under their belt, they improved leaps and bounds quickly.
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1 hour ago, cixelsyd said:
OMG, other corps outscore us. Fire the admins/BOD!
You know, Academy and Music City have come a long way. One thing they both have going for them is that they do not have alumni constantly bashing them, calling their leadership incompetent, and demanding mass firings on a near-daily basis.
Are you mad 🙂 This isn’t about the Academy, Music City, or the Colts. It’s about a design team and administration staff that clearly has no idea what they are doing or any direction. We’re talking about a former World Champion struggle to maintain 16th place. We’re talking about an administration that inherited a corps in good shape from Mason. We’re talking about an administration that has taken that 8th place corps to 16th place. Housecleaning should have happened years ago.
If you failed at your job like that, you would be out of a job really quick.
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10 minutes ago, HolyNOLA said:
Everyone doing these "comparisons" is avoiding the most breakneck shows. Probably on purpose.
Exactly. I don’t understand how anyone can watch either of these two shows and say that today’s shows are as entertaining. Both of these shows were masterpieces. Neither are especially a Brassline Concerto (with the percussion acting as the orchestra and the brass acting as a piano).
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5 minutes ago, ThePlanets said:
Using a season to season model BD should win come finals night.
IF they don't win it will be the first time since 05 that they didn't win the year after not winning and the first time since 06 that we have seen 2 (or more) years without a BD championship and would signify that times are indeed changing.
Of course I'm rooting for Bloo but if I were to bet I would still put money on BD for the gold.
I have from ‘84 to ‘16 rooted for anyone other than BD, because in the 80s and 90s I just didn’t like them, then they won so much I wanted others to win. Now, I just want the best corps with what I think the best show to win. I don’t think that’s the Bluecoats this year. There’s a lot to like in their show, but I hate all the crap on the field (that really isn’t utilized all that well) and the musical arrangements. To me, their arrangements are difficult for the sake of being difficult. I hate that corps have to arrange everything to play to the judges, and be rewarded, rather than the fans. Bloos music to me sounds almost like an original composition with snippets of the Beatles thrown in here and there. Do do love their guard book.
I want Vanguard too put the changes in that will make me think the show is championship worthy. If that doesn’t happen, I want Crown or BD to win. But, it could very well be Bluecoats.
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4 hours ago, Tim K said:
I think you need to look at corps with long histories to answer that question. In the 1960’s Garfield Cadets and Boston Crusaders were dominant corps. In the 70’s, both declined. For Cadets and BAC, the writing was on the wall they would fold. Cadets became a dominant force in the 80’s, and while some may have believed BAC would survive anything, few predicted what we are seeing today.
Madison can survive, Madison can be great again, but Madison has to pull itself together and that’s something Madison has to do.
Yes, but today couldn’t be more different from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. During those eras, most members were local, and retention was through the roof. You could have a bad season (‘86 Regiment) and turn it around a year later (‘87 Regiment). That just can’t happen today. So few members are local, and corps like Madison are feeder corps. What BAC did from 2016-2017 was miraculous. A lot of things had to align to make that happen. It’s doubtful it will happen again.
The key is gradual rise, but for that to even happen I think Madison has to completely clean house. It doesn’t appear that will ever happen. This administration seems to be completely clueless and each season seems like a desperate attempt to create a spark with a wet match.
I actually like the show musically, this year. There is also some good drill in there. But, it doesn’t make sense. The uniforms don’t make sense. The style doesn’t make sense. You either go all out old school or you go modern. It’s too bad they could not have this show in a more modern setting, because the music and drill is a actually quite good.
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5 hours ago, karuna said:
. Not sure anyone is catching Bloo. Gonna be a fun ride 'til the end.
At this point, I don’t think Vanguard or Crown will catch Bloo. BD is a wild card. I think they have the best show of the season. I think they are the ones to beat. But, one of three things is going to happen:
1. BD is going to win out, unchallenged to the title.
2. BD and Bloo are neck-and-neck and it’s going to be a battle for the finish.
3. Bloo is going to go undefeated, unchallenged for the title.
Again *I* think BD has the best show - doesn’t mean the judges do.
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3 minutes ago, karuna said:
I wouldn't fall in too much in love with the MA and BR numbers. That was probably the one and only show Harper will do. And while Phillips is an Indy judge, he's not afraid to tic errors in Crown's program and then reward them when they (inevitably) clean them. Finally, Crown's percussion is gonna hang this year. So no big spread from percussion.
Yes, I am so happy with their percussion standing this year. That’s really nice to see. I think regardless of where this show places, it is a HUGE improvement over the last few years, and sets them up well for the future.
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9 minutes ago, Incognito365 said:
Nobody is talking about Crown winning, we're talking about medal contention. Also, if scores don't matter then why are you comparing scores across competitions across nights?
And Crown had no one in their tier for half the season and look where their scores were. Means nothing.
Vanguard just got thrown into the mix 2 years ago. Sure they have a history, but as you say "recent history" has changed things. If that be the case, then we don't have much to go on for SCV and more to go on for Crown.
Hopefully these changes make the show better. Crown has only made small changes here and there, and no big changes aren't due until the week between San Antonio and Atlanta from what I hear.
Please read before you comment.
I never said anything about Crown winning either, other than I wanted them to. What I said is that medaling is going to be tough for them given the spread tonight. I will stand by that comment. If they are 8 tenths behind Vanguard, then they are even further behind Bluecoats, and MOST CERTAINLY behind BD, so they are most likely in 4th right now.
Of course scores matter, but the actual sub-captions matter more than the overall score does. Vanguard blew Crown away tonight in terms of caption wins - 12 to 4. That is what’s HUGE here, not the 8 tenth difference in overall score.
I am NOT comparing scores from different shows. I am comparing spreads between common opponents. I am comparing Vanguard’s spread to Crown (tonight), and Vanguard’s spread to Bluecoats (three night’s ago) and Bluecoats spread to BAC (however long ago). Bluecoats are the common opponent here, which is why I am comparing their spreads to everyone. So, from day 1 until today, nothing has really changed between Bluecoats, Crown and BAC (save the one show BAC beat Crown - that’s the anomaly).
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1 minute ago, ThePlanets said:
Given Crown over Boston tonight (since Boston over Crown the last time they met) BD is a total 1-3 wildcard. (BD beat SCV the last of their meetings but SCV had them consistently at first and Bloo over SCV consistently in recent shows).
BD is a wild card right now, but one would be a fool to conclude they are out of the top three until three other corps beat them at the same competition. I’d love to see that, but not sure I would bet on that.
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Just now, just_another_fanatic said:
Just because you don’t like a show doesn’t it make it bad.
And just because you don’t like a show, doesn’t mean the judges don’t and that the judges won’t reward it well. I think Vanguard’s brass, percussion and guard are just too good for them not to medal. They could win music, they could win guard, which means they should fair well in visual and GE. We’ll see what happens, but clearly the judges find something worth rewarding in Vanguard’s show because they are scoring very well.
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1 minute ago, trumpetcam said:
To me it says, Crown is now in the top 4 game and will hang with BD, SCV and Bloo. SCV has just said that they aren’t going away and with the changes that didn’t go into tonight du to weather, it could make a bigger difference this coming week.
I want Crown to win, because that’s the direction I want the activity to head it. It’s so thrilling watching them on high camera. It’s just amazing. I miss drill like that. I miss drill while playing like that. It’s unfortunate, but I think it’s going to a challenge for them to medal. If SCV sweeps them in music, then it will certainly be over.
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1 minute ago, trumpetcam said:
When you are winning almost all subcaptions against teams in your tier, it’s still pretty convincing. DeKalb is not a good example. It’s top tier versus one next tier and several lower. Apples and oranges. If SCV beats Crown in all music captions, that’s Crowns bread and butter. They won’t pass them until that happens, which could be next show, who knows?
Exactly. Honestly, it’s disappointing the way scoring works today. In 2017, BD beat Vanguard by less than a point almost the entire season, and Vanguard beat Crown by less than point for almost the entire season. You can’t tell me Vanguard wasn’t better than BD at least once, and Crown wasn’t better than Vanguard at least once. These are only two examples. You can see this night after night for the past several years. It’s like herd judging mentality and not much changes. It’s boring, quite frankly, and unfortunate.
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5 minutes ago, Incognito365 said:
Yet Crown was .1 and .2 behind in GE...hmm...also, lets talk recent years. 2015.
Yeah, and I can point to dozens of examples were one corps was .1 behind here and .2 behind there for an ENTIRE season. It’s very hard to overcome someone you’re behind, especially when that’s Vanguard or BD.
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Just now, ThePlanets said:
Sure...but in Delkalb you have early season 1/2 v. 6 in Memphis you have 2/3 v 4 v 5 in competition.
Exactly. Bluecoats had no one in their tier in DeKalb. Were Vanguard and BD there it would have been a completely different story. I still think Bluecoats would have beaten Vanguard, but perhaps not BD.
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El Dorado, KS - Monday, JUly 15, 2019
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Wow BK. I love a first time ever! So happy for them.