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1 hour ago, rmurrey74 said:
There’s some people that will never be satisfied or convinced that it’s enough. That’s fine, but it’s a huge improvement over what existed five years ago. I’m not sure what more could be done right now but making the minimum age 18 would be best in my mind.
Raising the minimum age to 18 wouldn't solve the problem of sexual abuse completely, but it would help. Hate to have to do it, but under the circumstances I'd be all for it.
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2 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
I was at Soundsport last year. Were you? It wasn’t “all kids”.
Not that it is any of your business but after working hard for almost my entire adult life, I’m retired now and if I want to participate here, I can unless they want to suspend me again.
It’s a legitimate question and I believe their response was as clear as mud.
We had minors march in our alumni corps in 2008. At least a half-dozen, or so. They were adorable and good.
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30 minutes ago, Slingerland said:
Muchachos and Crossmen both were busted of rules violations regarding age of members, something that was clearly spelled out in DCI's charter. Might as well say "Regiment got a .1 penalty in 1978, but DCI looked the other way on sexual predators." One thing has nothing to do with the other. DCI was not given the right or the responsibility by its founders to mandate background checks of corps staff in the 1970s/80s/90s. You can say "that was stupid" and you'd be right, but the fact is, no one else in American society in that period was background checking either, for anything besides criminal pasts.
Disagree Counselor. Because with that line of reasoning you could also say murder is “ok” because it’s not mentioned in DCI charter rules. I know they didn’t do background checks, but the perps were already through the door and doing bad things. We knew as kids in the 70’s and the adults in charge knew too. My point is DCI cared about the little stuff (marching overage members) and not the big stuff (protecting members). They had a moral obligation to do so even if not mentioned in any charter/rules.
I could “somewhat” buy the excuse that those were just the times and it’s “wrong” to apply todays standards to different times, but some of these people (at least two) are celebrated to this day.
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57 minutes ago, Mello Dude said:
Bit harsh. DCI has so little power..even less so BITD. It's not like they wield amazing executive powers. They may very well be not culpable according to their very limited powers and scope.
The disconnect I have is that DCI sure had no problem wielding their authority on corps with the suspected HORROR of marching an overage member. Dealing with their own authority figures and luminaries who molested kids in and outside of Drum Corps, not so much.
If DCI is brought down by this or any other sexual harassment lawsuit I will cry, but at the same time it might be justice finally served.
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1 hour ago, MikeN said:
A statement that the membership was revoked and why. A declaration of commitment to safety. An explanation of DCI's values and what the activity actually stands for. A demonstration of public leadership from the top down of what their priorities are and what member corps are required and and expected to do to protect minors and young adults.
Off the top of my head. Sorry for the angry soapbox.
Mike
I'd be very surprised if DCI's legal counsel would allow them to do that at this time. It would not be prudent.
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2 hours ago, Hook'emCavies said:
But I have to ask.... just why though? In my eyes Hopkin lived my dream. Why would someone do such a horrible thing and create such chaos?
In my time on this planet I have noticed some of the most gifted and talented people are also the most......*messed up. Not all, obviously, but in disproportionate numbers.
*(I wanted to use a different phrase).
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17 minutes ago, Richard Lesher said:
Absolutely……………..
The conduct of individuals caused this.
What are the series of events that have led to this result?
“Today” isn’t the day it died. It’s just the day it can’t be hidden anymore.
I get it……………..
..............I'm not so sure.
Hey, fwiw, I think you do good work and I appreciate your service to our country.
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45 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said:
Gross. That's not acceptable at a corps with a corroborated history of abuse. It normalizes enabling.
The adult "kid" defended, enabled a known abuser into shows by providing a badge, enabled him to advise my corps on their show... supposedly.
Those are all disqualifying, enabling behaviors, exactly as I pointed out at the time. And they demonstrate the adult "kid" is likely challenged by calling out and acting appropriately on other concerning behaviors if they're observed.
Has the adult "kid" done any additional professional development to assertively demonstrate otherwise? Has this bare minimum been reached, requested, or even attempted?
Katie Hopkins has been at SCV for at least 5 years now, teaches WGI Guards, and high schools guards too. I don't know her personally, but I understand from those that do she's a quality individual. Based on her body of work, and until there is more substantive evidence other than a Reddit post, she should be allowed to make a living despite the sins of her father. To do otherwise is gross and illegal under state of California employment law.
For concerns on her training maybe ask Gio Bastante. I assume you know her.
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11 minutes ago, Richard Lesher said:
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo.................
Any chance the DCP admins will bring back the thread they removed of my pointing out Cadets were in regulatory violation of state law by failing to register as a charity?
One of the most storied corps in the history of our activity died today and this is what you care about?
Good Lord.
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Whatever year they did the peace sign. It was either 1971 or 72. It was considered VERY controversial by the VFW crowd at the time; "#### Commie Hippies"!
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38 minutes ago, kdaddy said:
Haven't other corps faced bankruptcy and returned? Didn't Boston Crusaders file for bankruptcy back when?
The Kingsmen did twice but they were never the same and didn't have a sexual harassment lawsuit hanging over their heads. This is different and permanent for Garfield.
"The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers"
Dick the Butcher - Henry IV, Act IV, William Shakespeare
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On 3/30/2024 at 6:22 PM, KVG_DC said:
That word 'really' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence.
Maybe forging the birth certificate in one digit could fool a few but not changing all four digits...
🤣Who am I kidding? I'm in pretty decent shape for my age, but the first time I have to run backwards or sideways like a crab I'd fall and break a hip.
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If push comes to shove, and they really overlook the age rule, I'm available.
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9 hours ago, BG984 said:
.....My initial post was simply 100% factual, showing how music scoring emphasis went from a 30% advantage to none in a 6 year time frame......
And you can tell. It's as if the judging panel on Dancing with the Stars has taken over.
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I wish DCI would not schedule shows in San Bernardino. Move it to Orange County where there are a myriad of safer municipal stadiums.
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On 3/19/2024 at 2:37 PM, Chief Guns said:
Was there any truth to crowds back east purposely not rooting for BD or corps from out west in general?
In the beginning, the California corps that travelled east received a lot of love because they were a novelty. As the activity changed from regional to national the love disappeared a bit as the east lost to the west on a semi-regular basis.
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5 hours ago, Vuitton said:
We've had more visabiility in what's going on with Vanguard and the Cadets than other corps. More corps are going to be forced to take time off because of the extremely high costs of running said corps and the lack of interest in this activity. Within 20 years the whole activity will be gone.
Drum corps has survived depressions, recessions, wars, political upheaval, pandemics, etc. etc. etc. It will be around in 20 years but it may not be called Drum Corps International.
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I trust your research, I just don't remember that there were that many judges (10?) in the first half of the first decade of DCI, especially the first year.
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Drum Corps has gentrified and it’s sad. Instead of being an activity any kid off the street can do it’s now something akin to grad school for music and dance majors.
Good for the kids that can afford it but sad for those from low income and “at risk” kids that cant. A spending cap for costs that can be controlled should have been implemented decades ago for the greater good of the activity.
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4 hours ago, keystone3ply said:
Maybe we should start a 'change.org' to reinstate Poppycock. 😆
Where do I sign?
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Someone should pitch the show concept to Bravo; "The Real Band Moms of Chino Hills". Follow them through marching season; drama, power struggles, betrayal, inner-rivalries, favortisim, and everything else that makes for good entertainment.
I'd watch that one.
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3 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
That’s terrible. Jim had pretty good luck as a driver with them. Everyone was nice to him. We were donors, too, so he was doing it for nothing.
He said that in his opinion, no one worked harder than the carrot crew and the woman who took care of the uniforms. She had to alter those stinky things a lot because members would lose weight throughout the summer. The odor was pretty bad. I remember that smell from my marching days. It was a combination of bus funk and the worst BO ever.
I forgot about the uniform Moms. I take it back; THEY had the hardest job! They did it out of love but in reality they should have received bio-hazard pay. For fun, we would do Rorschach tests on the mold pattern on the inside of our cadets.
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29 minutes ago, Sh0uldN0t said:
One more thing. The nut who said drivers work the hardest clearly hasn't worked on the food truck. Hardest job in the corps even if you're doing it right.
Depends if the driver just drivers, or is also responsible for loading/unloading on a truck without an electric lift gate.
But I agree 100% on what it means to be a volunteer.
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Stan Kenton (and jazz in general)
Hector Berlioz
Tower of Power 🥲
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Post on Reddit about SoA
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Having raised 4 kids and now watching my grandkids grow up, there is a BIG difference in emotional maturity between a 14/15-year-old and an 18-year-old – generally speaking. An 18-year-old is much more equipped mentally and physically to be able to deal with, report, and say no potential physical, mental, and sexual abuse – be it member to member, or instructor to member. It wouldn’t solve the problem in its entirety, but it would remove the most vulnerable from the clutches of the pervs that continually infect the activity.
In retrospect, what were/are we thinking? Packing busloads of children, hormonal teenagers, and young adults, together for weeks at a time on the road cross-country in close quarters without much, if any parental supervision.
And we wonder why this keeps happening.