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1 minute ago, Terri Schehr said:
That’s not very tolerant. It’s sad that people can’t abide by live and let live.
There is a law in the city now that is not MEANT to target LGBT, but it is in reaction to the state as a whole... This is the first time we will not go in nearly 15 years.
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if you are in a same sex relationship I would recommend... if you go to this city.. that you refrain from holding your partners hand in public
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4 minutes ago, Chief Guns said:
So what was the Mandarins score Saturday night in ATL, considering they were at their housing site 200 miles away in Enka North Carolina that evening.
wow, i really did make that as confusing as possible... this was our most recent viewing of any of the corps and our top 12 as of now.. sorry. to confuse you guys. It makes more sense to just delete the post.
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... this weather today was just too much for some of the spectators and i imagine the corp members were feeling it.... i have been thru 6 bottles of water already... and then having to hold my bladder.... yes, it is worth it today... and there are no surprises with how things are going on the field... can't hang around for the encore... TOO HOT!!
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actual top 12 and scores w caption.... maybe a quick comment with my placement caption and IN CAPS where i see them placing finals night
12th 80.475 Pacific Crest we had them in 13th behind Blue Knights... FINALS NIGHT SEE THEM PLACING 13TH BLUE KNIGHT SQUEAKING IN 12TH
11th 82.938 Trooper we had them in 11th.... FINALS NIGHT SEE THEM PLACING 11TH
10th 82.950 Colts we had them 9th ahead of Blue Stars.... FINALS SEE THEM PLACING 10TH
9th 84.175 Blue Stars we had them 10th....FINALS SEE THEM PLACING 9TH
8th 85.513 Cavaliers we had them in 8th...FINALS SEE THEM IN 8TH AND WINNING PERCUSION...THE GUARD..CONTENT AND STAGING...WHAT IS UP?
7th 87.375 The Cadets we had them in 6th..FINALS SEE THEM PLACING AHEAD OF PHANTOM AND BEHIND MANDARINS.. THIS ISN'T CLEANING FASTEST ENOUGH AND JUST NOT TO LEVEL OF THOSE AHEAD OF THEM.
6th 87.675 Phantom Regiment we had them in 7th behind Cadets.. SHOW HAS PEAKED AND VISUALLY IS NOT CHALLENGING TO THOSE AHEAD OF THEM. FINALS SEE THEM PLACING 7TH... POSSIBLY 8TH IF CAVALIERS GET IT TOGETHER.
5th 87.675 Mandarins we had them in 5th WHAT A SHOW... SO THRILLED FOR THIS GROUP. FINALS SHOULD BE IN 5TH NO THREAT TO TOP 4
4th 90.563 Carolina Crown we had them in 4th but not close to Bluecoats..CAN'T GET INTO IT VISUALLY...GUARD STAGING IS DISTRACTING AT TIMES. FINALS PLACING 4TH AND NO CAPTIONS WINS.
3rd 90.950 Bluecoats we had them in 2nd. FINALS SEE THEM PASSING BOSTON CRUSADERS.. NO CAPTION WINS
2nd 91.60 Boston Crusaders we had them in 3rd much closer to Carolina Crown. FINALS SEE THEM IN 3RD.. PROBABLY, MAYBE 4TH. LOVING THE MUSIS... VISUALLY... THIS SHOW IS HEAPS BELOW LAST YEAR. NO CAPTIONS
1st 92.60 Blue Devils we had them in 1st by only slightly larger margin. FINALS THEY WILL WIN. SWEEP ALL CAPTIONS EXCEPT PERCUSSION. THAT BELONGS TO CAVIES. THE GUARD IS INCREDIBLE AND THEY ARE STAGED SO WELL... AND BRASS, MUSIC, VISUAL ALL THEIRS...AND ESPECIALLY GE.
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On 7/16/2023 at 11:37 AM, Vuitton said:
It's so crazy that Mandarins and/or Regiment may very well go on after Crown. Who would have seen that coming before the season started?
well, you make a good point... but crown has got do do something different in the visual department if they are to break back into the top 2 positions. it feels like this 2023 production needs so much more to make any movement. I don't really know how Phantom stays in front of Mandarins. And how Boston Crusaders are head of Bluecoats is beyond me... but there you are. This is a great year for Mandarins and The Colts.
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having seen all the current top 10 recently live.... and basic summary of prediction in the "Predictions" chat.
1 Blue Devils can't be beat this year... and probably sweep captions
2 Bluecoats will pass up Boston due to their higher GE
3 Boston beats Crown.. because Crown's show is dated and is not visually stimulating.
4 Crown...
5 Mandarins beat Phantom on GE and Visual
6 Phantom sound incredible... there is no visual difficulty
7-8 Cavaliers & Cadets... either way. Cadets made some mistakes in design and I don't think it can be fixed. What is up with the guard staging and guard execution. Cavaliers... working hard and you see the improvements
9 Colts The is more to this show to be excited about than Bstars
10-11 Blue Stars or Trooper
12 Blue Knights or Pacific Crest
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21 hours ago, jjeffeory said:
I love your explanations. I don't agree with everything, but these are the kind of predictions I miss seeing from most people. Keep it up!
If we all agreed on predictions we would probably look into it less. Respect is key and understanding it’s all part of the thrilling world of Drum Corp!! And Thanks!!
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13 minutes ago, Boss Anova said:
But actually they did close the 1.5 point gap.. You posted.. " I think it ( 1.50 point spread ) is an insurmountable margin when its BD thats holding that margin on you. Thats a HUGE amount. 1.50 points is not a small margin. Its mammouth. " But Boston DID close that 1.50 point gap, on BD and did so in 11 days. Your rationale as to why Boston catching BD was" impossible" was that " "massive 1.50 point gap " you said.
part of the joy is that people can disagree and be respectful... with "i told you so" or "you got me"... without hurt feelings.. etc. it's drum corp... and we absolutely love it...and an old fart like me doesn't hold onto what drum corp used to be... or what it needs to be.. the joy of the kids is OBVIOUS. Predictions are fun! we are no longer closely connected in some ways... or maybe just an old fart like me. But we can all be just chill out... because... the judges are eating this blue devils show UP... they are gagged... and it will be a monumental year for BD.
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nah.. for real it is to keep some of the wild life out of our backyard... whenever possible. we have little killers in this house that like to go after anything..and it works most of the time. this is what it looks like... several in our nbrhood
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Finally saw Blue Devils live...and wow. Couple things... no one is catching them... and they will win high brass.. not crown. Holy cow. At this point I do think they will win by 2 points..or close to it. I am always rooting for Bluecoats, Crown and the Cavies.... but the proof is in the puddin' (so to speak).
1. Blue Devils by 1.5 to 2 (GE, Visual, Brass, Guard, Percusion)..captions sweep
2. Bluecoats (I think the will outpace Boston in visual and brass... and edge them for the silver)
3. Boston Crusaders (need to have something else on their heads or nothing at all... the visual package from uniforms to staging seems to be not well thought out)
4. Carolina Crown (why am i still not getting into this show... the story is not fun or exciting enough to connect)
5. Mandarins (they continue to get better and i have to say.. this show is packed with some interesting moments
6. Phantom (show has a lot of visual... confusion for me.. and is missing some difficulty) musically this show does not transition as seamlessly as those above them.
7. Cavaliers (it's obvious they are working really hard..and it will be close between them and Cadets)
8. Cadets (omg, i have seen them live so many times...since 1982... always seems to be some level of thrill for me.).. the staging for the show is designed to hide dirt until something is thrown in the air... and then you see the dirt. i hope this show gets clean and they make some changes. we need them back in the top 5
9. Bluestars (not much i can say..i keep looking away.)
10. Colts (this show gets better every time I see it... and.. i think they will potentially place ahead of Bluestars)
11. Troopers (i have the small version of this wind chime in the backyard...it is pretty cool) Perc is so good this year... Trooper is another corp placing a little higher than they would normally simply due to SCV being out.
12. Blue Knights / Pacific Crest (possibly Troopers)
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after seeing what seems to be the where it's headed:
PLCE CORP CAP SCORE 1 BLUE DEVILS GE, VIS, CG 97.90 2 BOSTON CRUSADERS Mus 97.35 3 CAROLINA CROWN Brass, 96.75 4 BLUECOATS 96.45 5 PHANTOM REGIMENT 94.30 6 CAVALIERS Perc 92.30 7 MANDARINS 91.70 8 BLUE STARS 90.80 9 CADETS 89.95 10 TROOPERS 89.20 11 COLTS 89.10 12 BLUE KNIGHTS 86.02 13 MADISON SCOUTS 84.95 17 CROSSMEN 84.45 16 THE ACADEMY 84.25 15 SPIRIT OF ATLANTA 84.15 14 PACIFIC CREST 83.85 -
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after seeing more shows....
1 BLUE DEVILS VIS / CG/ Brass / Mus
2 BLUECOATS GE / Percusion
3 BOSTON CRUSADERS
4 CAROLINA CROWN
5 CADETS
6 PHANTOM REGIMENT
7 MANDARINS
8 CAVALIERS
9 BLUE STARS
10 COLTS
11 BLUE KNIGHTS
12 TROOPERS
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Have not seen Blue Knights, Crossmen, The Academy, Spirit of Atlanta or Seattle Cascades:
Top 12 and Captions:
12th Crossmen
11th Troopers
10th Blue Knights
9th Blue Stars
8th Mandarins
7th Cavaliers
6th Phantom Regiment
5th Cadets
4th Crown
3rd Boston
2nd Blue Devils
1st Bluecoats
GE: Bluecoats Visual: Bluecoats CGuard: Crown Brass: Crown Percusion: Blue Devils Music: Bluecoats
I think Phantom could in up and 7th just easily as 5th... 5 thru 7 .. those three could flip around ...
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1:Blue Devils (visual, percusion,ge)
2:Carolina Crown (brass, music)
3:Bluecoats
4:Boston Crusaders (guard)
5:Cavaliers
6:Cadets
7:Phantom
8:Blue Stars
9:Mandarins
10:Blue Knights
11:Colts
12:Spirit of Atl
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11 hours ago, oldbandguy said:
Not trying to excuse any rude corps staff, but they too had to fight their way to section 140 due to the spectators that were standing behind section 141. The corps were limited to 10 staff members. There were a few times I observed extra staff members bring told they had to leave...and I'm thinking what about the 50 people standing behind 139 and the 50 behind 141.
Section 140 is also a handicap area with several in wheelchairs. They had a hell of a time getting in and out. I can only imagine what would have happened if a fire safety inspector had shown up...actually, I think I know.
DCI and LOS have a lot to discuss this off season.
yeah.. i get it. if this unfolded as it's reported in this forum then that staff member needs to be reminded what the fans mean to HIM.. i don't care what your position is.... this is a product they are selling... you think I am going to go outta my way to buy merch from a corp that hires an a$$h0le probably not. Will pass by to the other stands. we buy lots of merch.. we're old guys ..fans attending and going to shows for over 40 years. I would probably spend my money elsewhere....
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My point(while i might not be doing a good job at making it) is, there is transition in what BD does... just like moving into one formation has a transition... often these individuals aren't playing as they step out of the formation to move to hit a point. You're seeing this is WGI as well... most notably for me with ONYX this season.. individual movements into a big block. You're always going to find people with different opinions on this and ultimately the kiddos are all that matters... right? One can hope they stay off these boards and don't see some of this stuff.. In my opinion all you have to do is look at the growth in the attendance .. the people that matter in keeping this activity alive ..those supporting the activity with money.. going to shows, buying merch... sponsoring memberships. That is where our time and energy needs to be spent. Opinions are fun.. but folks are either fans of the activity or they are just don't like BD. It seems one way or the other... I'll never understand it.
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2 hours ago, scheherazadesghost said:
Not really. Individual vs group unison achievement is a thing across captions. It's melo solo vs soli or a solo sabre 7 caught port vs unison sabre 7 caught port. Unison is inherently more difficult because you can't just execute how you want when you want. You have to be on your a-game at the same time with others. Equal pressure to perform is placed across the ensemble.
Achievement in both are difficult. But getting 10 people to catch a sabre 7 port is inherently more difficult than relying on one person to do it for effect... or letting them toss their 7s at different times.
I think that's the point here.
Right. But I think you and OP are both indicating that the industry is headed into an era with more scatter drill and staging. Some of us lament that if so because we value the arduousness of group unison achievement. (I'm not saying BD or any specific corps doesn't ALSO achieve in group unison, obviously that's not a problem... merely trying to understand if OP and you are identifying the same trend but feeling differently about it.)
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On 8/15/2022 at 9:10 AM, AzEuph said:
It’s obvious DCI judging criteria wants to reward corps for individual performance and content. We see BD do this individual style for a large chunk of their show. Same with SCV.
Random path to dot. Scattering. Different step offs and arrivals. Even forms are designed dirty so there aren’t noticeably clean lines or shapes.
Here’s what I don’t get: why?!
I’m in complete belief that doing something unison as an entire ensemble is harder than having 80 individual brass players. One little error sticks out.
Imagine if we had the same criteria for music. Rewarding individual intonation, pitch, attacks and releases. Music performance is expected, and rewarded, for being unison and perfect. Why? Because it’s more difficult to play in unison than not. And it sounds dirty if not in unison.
The activity has continued to progress in a lot of creative and fantastic ways. This isn’t one of them, IMO.
it's a stretch to try and compare movement and sound... and scatter drill is nothing new... even if it's just one person doing it. Almost every drum corp is doing what BD does on some level... you see it in guard.. you see it in percussion even. It's been more of a topic, imho, lately because it's BD. We are not biased fans... and I've never really understood it. IF you want to compare... look at College Football and schools in the same division that never win a title and there are fans that are annoyed with that... but the team continues to do what they do and win. Our hope is that we continue to see the activity evolve and change..
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10 minutes ago, Tim K said:
I can usually see why Blue Devils win and this year is no exception. I did not find this year’s show as flawless as other years, but three of the four performances I saw were spot on, and the one that was not was against a corps that also did not have its best run. I think I watched them more carefully this year since Boston Crusaders were so good and I wanted at least one victory over BD by BAC. Actually I wanted a title for Boston Crusaders, but that’s another story.
Regarding kids wanting to win and joining Blue Devils, I’m not sure that Blue Devils is the destination corp it used to be. Over the years I’ve talked with BD marching members and parents, usually at the airport where. I am right Nile, and I hear more stories about nurturing talent and the reliance of the corps on vets. Maybe I am just talking with a small group and what I say may be anecdotal. Blue Devils could have a good number of one and done folks who just want to win, but it’s not the entire corps.
while the scores where announced we were expecting BD to win by a full 2 points... and we have no bias here... we're fans of the southern corps of the 80's,, however, we were surprised Boston didn't own 2nd place. Kids want to join BD not just for winning... it's an incredible experience and anyway.. who would fault a kid shooting for the best experience and biggest challenge....
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4 hours ago, college-phan said:
Chances of Phantom getting Rennick back? LOL
On a real note, I really hope Phantom starts looking around immediately for a new color guard staff and they should really spare no expense. You just can't have that sort of toxicity in your organization if you want to be a top-six program.
after watching another amazing finals... PR needs more exposure, content difficulty and difficulty in transition within the guard category. that's just my opinion... not a comparison.. while we were watching wondered why PR guard felt like an afterthought...
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Saw the show here in Atlanta.... Blue Devils are so OBVIOUSLY the show to beat this year and deserving of their GOLD MEDAL today. If you can't put your bias aside and see the level of the performance and the nuance of this corp...down to every single rifle toes is at the same exact same height across all performers.... we sat in awe as we watched the show.
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I am starting to think more and more this activity really isn't for most people...
Murfreesboro show
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I do remember when the law was passed in june last year.... i did not see the update about it being repealed... but it would appear that is correct and was repealed a couple months ago.