Jeff Ream
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Ken, I'm sorry.. I know you and I don't agree -- and I generally just agree to disagree with you.. but I can't stay quiet on this. This is pure hogwash.
Any corps director (or other involved person) who submits a rules proposal for consideration campaigns for it.
Thinking or asserting otherwise is naive and, yes, closed-minded.
The difference is that because of the nature of the proposals this one guy has made, he's somewhat demonized and his persona being what it is, feeds that demonization.
The actual truth is likely less dastardly and megalomaniacal than you or any of those who agree with you would like to believe.
Stef
or, they can say they have to use the toys in order to win, then try to back pedal afterwards
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Beware.. the recommendation comes from the guy whose sun rises and sets by Labatt's Blue.. ampssuck
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incorrect. the sun rises and sets on appalaichan brewing companys pale ale
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no and kind of.
innovative to me means breaking new ground, which they have done many times. innovative to me does mean taking someone elses show and twisiting it to meet their needs
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Congrats we have surpassed 200 Yes votes...While I expected this outcome I am a little suprised at the large number of votes. 97% of the voters agree or dont care.
i think do not care should have been it's own vote, as i am sure the overwhelming majority of that 97% isnt dont care
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eh, I give up.
I stand by my opinion that it's ridiculous to penalize a corps because of electrical malfunction, and I thank the other 5 of you that agree.
~>conner
if a vibe pedal breaks it would affect the score...why not electronics?
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Absolutely not.
That said, if there ever is a seperate sub-caption within either/or/both Percussion/GE, then I would yes.
what do you do with the poins in that sub box for corps who use no amplification at all?
making a seperate sub box means to get those points you have to amp
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i just checked with Wally. the black unis debuted in early July 79
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now that's a great explanation. tho i would think if 2 were present, that would be enough
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kick ### JJ
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dunno, i'm independent
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cool...but it backs up my point. not every judge is on the same caption every single day.
one or 2 days in a row, sure, but usually when you do a switch, you see a change.
if i see seomeone 3 days in a row in perc downstairs, i'm gonna know what to look for, and also vary up where i go and when....so stuff may have improved on day 2, but i may be watching/listening to something else.
but if i go upstairs and see big improvements since i did it last 4 days ago, the numbers are likely to go up more.
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I suspect that most corps members want their show to well liked. My son often asks what are people saying about his corps. He's as happy to hear "the opener is a perfect vehicle for this corps to show case their talent" as he is to hear "the middle vibe player has awesome technique". On second thought, my son would rather hear the latter comment, though not if it were followed by "too bad they are giving him crap to play."
The kids generally love their corpsmates, caption heads and techs. They generally love their show or they couldn't be practicing it 14 hours a day and performing the same show dozens of times. You have to develop a love for the show as a matter of survial. An attack on anything to do with the show, design, performance, director, other corps members, instructors, etc. is personal to a corps member. A corps is a family. Family sticks together.
When someone talks about the "silly narration" or bemoans how the kids are being "cheated" by being given such a subpar experience by having to narrate, how is the narrator or his parents supposed to feel? I can understand the difference in intent and that helps to an extent. But then, I've been around this activity a long time. Would your typical 18 year old understand? Maybe I don't give the kids enough credit. Still I gotta wonder when I read in the review forum that some corps "didn't have a color guard they had a dance troupe" whether the kids in that guard aren't going to feel put down.
All that said, I believe there needs to be a place where you can voice your displeasure with design and maybe even performance. Just realize you can't insulate the performer from your comments about the design. Doesn't mean you shouldn't make them but the two are intimately connected. You can't separate the performer from what is being performed.
this is true Chris, but in pro sports, the athletes dont often call the plays, the coaches do. yet when people bash the play calling, you dont see people come in running saying "stop, you're hurting the kids"
hey, i knew my junior year going up the middle 4 times in a row wouldnt work, but the coach called it anyways. and in the paper the next few days, you never saw anyone crying that the kids were hurt because of the play callings criticism.
would i have loved to have had burning babies thrown at me every time i stepped on the field? sure! but i was also smart enough to realize not everyone would do so, and wouldnt let it ruin my day.
in fact, i'll guesstimate most kids dont, but people over react and think they do.
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Uh - YES! (isn't it obvious?)
You say you "respect the kids" and yet fail to show up to support their efforts. Sorry - but I don't get that. You are the one putting more emphasis on the designer's choices than those of us who just go and enjoy things we like and kinda of "look the other way" for the things we dont like or could live without. A prime example is the Cadets - I didn't like the Bjork speak segment at ALL last year - but that didn't keep me from enjoying their entire program at finals or keep me from realizing as they marched off the field it was one of the greatest performances in DCI history. I am not going to let Marc Sylvester ruin that for me.
I respect Nascar drivers. I respect opera singers.
yet i am not fans of the product they produce...so that means i am doing the wrong thing by not spending my money on that which i know i dislike?
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warn your liver first :P
to get the real deal you have to go to a place DCI doesnt...Canada
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yep. i know for a fact a judge in DCA a few years ago knew the center snare lost a stick, and while the line around him was ####ting out, he gave them the benefit of the doubt because the center snare was one handed til he got a stick.
that the judge admitted it was humorous and sad at the same time
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i'll say this:
knowing how George has at times taken the judging community to task online ( i remember the great 01 or 02 GE rant), if it did affect him and he got good and ###### about it, we'd have read about it
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That's not necessarily the case. For example, if vocals were optional, but were specified on the brass sheet, then a judge would know that it specifically falls to that category, and thus would be responsible for it. Like a cymbal line for example; most corps don't use them, but for those that do, the drum judges obviously add them to the mix of scoring. No drum judge ever says, "well, only a couple of corps use cymbals, so #### it - I'm only judging snare tenor bass & pit."
so you propose putting sub box on the sheet for people who use it but not making it mandatory. how do you assign these points for those that dont use it? is this like extra credit on a test?
you either have it for all or nothing. you cant have sub boxes on the sheets for a subsection that may do one thing
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So how exactly do their tech problems bring their score down? I dont' know anything about WGI or its sheets. What caption(s) would it affect? Is there something written specifically on the sheets about such malfunctions? Or is it just understood by the judges and participants and everyone that you're going to take a hit if you have tech problems?
if you build to a moment that requires amplification, and the stuff craps out, you're left with a moment that doesnt happen due to a loss of sound.
picture this...you're building to a huge horn hit, and then boom, every horn freezes up and no sound comes out.
effect ruined right?
same principal here. if the equipment needed to make an effect doesnt work, and the effect is worthless, then the scores should reflect it.
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i wont disagree with you X DM. tho I do feel showing full shows instead of snippets can help more.
the last few years when DCI has announced attendance figures, there was a catch.
the year they ran all of the old DCM shows, it was attendance up. well no ####, they inherited what, 40 some shows?
then the next year, when they didnt run all of the DCM shows, and some regionals were re-structured, it was "like shows were up"
last year, there was no announcement other than finals.
what does this truly tell us about attendance? if you have to add disclaimers, then is it really up?
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there needs to be a 2nd yes answer. "yes, because if the drumline breaks a head and trys to play it can hurt their score too, same for stick valves in Brass or if a silk rips. Its all out of the control of the member but can hurt the score" at least in a GE captions it should. Just my 2.33333333 cents.
drumheads breaking have affected scores on the field
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If you can find a beer that's actually worth drinking, and find it actually sold in a keg, then I just might be impressed enough to consider your proposal. B)
molson XXX.
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because the bottom line was that no matter what, drum corps meant that there was no pit. if you wanted to play it you had to march it.
because the bottom line was that no matter what, drum corps did not permit vocals of any kind on the field
because the bottom line was that no matter what, drum corps horns didn't have valves.
because the bottom line was that no matter what, drum corps horns only had one valve.
because the bottom line was that no matter what, drum corps horns only had two valves.
because the bottom line was that no matter what, drum corps only had 128 members on the field.
All of the above, and more, required a change in the current rules. So you'll forgive me if I think a comment like yours quoted above is somewhat arbitrary. What made those changes acceptable, while this change isn't? I mean, after all, I could come back with "the bottom line is that no matter what, everything you hear in a drum corps show originates from the abilities and the performance of the marching members at that very moment." This statement holds true with or without amps, plugged or unplugged.
then you either plug it all in to justify this stance, or none of it. accoustic sounded mixed with sound reproduced thru amps is a mish mash of sounds fighting each other.
given the numerous complaints about balance issues, coupled with equipment malfunctions show us it's an issue that should be one way or the other.
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here's something no one has thought of that I have seen........
is it the same guys judging the exact same sheet every night, or is there trade offs?
if i am on field visual one night, go upstairs 2 nights, then, after 2 nights of working totally different sheets and criteria, see drastic improvement downstairs from last time i was there...wouldnt my number go up too?
Why can't the Cadets let drum corps be drum corps?
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you're right. becoming non accoustic is just a little change.
ya know, kind of like flying airplanes then going to space was just minor in scope