Jeff Ream
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57 minutes ago, MikeN said:
Yes, the pointed language in it is very surprising to see, but they've been consistent about that all along the process. 😞
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yeah i wasn't surprised with that at all.
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58 minutes ago, jwillis35 said:
This is very true. In some ways you might say the Garfield Cadets were lucky to not have folded in the late 70s or early 80s. Being one of the older corps they were never setup for modern drum corps travel, education, and funding like many non-profits were that began in the 70s, 80s, or 90s (and this is not to say those groups were all setup perfectly either). The Cadets were essentially a church corps established for parades. Like many neighborhood corps of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s most of those groups do not exist today. I'm not sure if Madison and Cavaliers are the only two left. I don't think Racine Scouts are around anymore...or are they? But there is a reason most corps that were founded in the early 20th Century are no longer around.
What kept them afloat (Garfield)? It was not GH as some might say (despite all his criminal behavior off the field). I think they got lucky that Zingali, Sylvester, Hannum, and Jim Prime Jr came in and designed some shows (with the creative help from Cesario) that pushed the activity forward. This brought them popularity and brand name and many of the older alumni started giving again. This is what really saved them temporarily...the alumni/fans/donors and the instructional team. And even with GH robbing Peter to pay Paul (cooking the books) they managed to thrive in donor contributions and also changes in instrument deals and other spnsorships. YEA never really panned out to be the "educational" org they said it would be. To me it was more a front for money collection.
But by 2017 and 2018 -- when everything comes to light with GH and others -- we all knew that should have been the knockout punch. As much as my heart is bleeding due to the loss of an iconic and historic drum corps my head says this is the way it has to be. They had chance after chance after chance to make changes. They lacked the whistle blowers who may have known what was going on and who should have stepped up back in the 80s, maybe even the late 70s, and put a stop to the methods of operation and people within (no matter how high their rank) who were commiting crimes and/or who were engaged in behaviors not conducive to safety, education, and a positive learning environment.
The Garfield Cades were one of the few corps that somehow crossed the divide between the early days of drum corps in America (the neighborhood corps, Scouts groups, CYO, AL, and VFW days) to modern DCI days; BUT...that transition was frought with error that would make it difficult for them to last unless someone with real forsight and a progressive look at education, funding, safe travel, community involvement and real purpose were to redefine the corps mission statement and not just the design of a show. So even without the criminial ongoings of the corps' leader it was always going to be difficult for a corps from 1934 to navigate the modern DCI environment.
a correction...YEA did succeed with USBands and all its other names over the years. in many ways thats what kept the corps afloat. and when the end of YEA came, that was the only thing of value left when the corps itself wanted to go off on it's own.
I also feel horrible for all of those that were in Cadets2, the winter guard and CWP for their few years of existence.
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52 minutes ago, Geneva said:
I cannot believe how incredibly unfair this result of the action by one individual over 40 years ago is to this organization. To think that the Cadets and the entire drum corps world should sustain such a loss is hard to understand. Is this really the desired remedy sought after by the plaintiff?! The memories and sense of accomplishment that future members are now denied as had past members and the drum corps community received. This is in no way justice.
well...reading between the lines of the press release....due to other issues well publicized 6 years ago this week, no insurance company was going to touch the corps with a 10 foot pole. so while this one incident may be the final nail in the coffin, other incidents put the other nails in.
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2 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
I talked to my bf down here who is one of the original survivors. It was clear to me that there was institutionalized dysfunction in the organization for decades. Even before you know who. She was in the Plebes so her knowledge goes way back. She is from Garfield.
yeah. i mean i have no idea what the ultimate reason for the lawsuit was. i don't want to speculate. it's just sad the event happened to where it got to this point, as well as every other thing mentioned now 6 years ago this week that caused the original explosion. i feel bad for the thousands that did things the right way and had no knowledge, as well those personally affected by the horrible actions.
and yes people will say some there should have known...well, apparently if people didn't come forward, all you had was rumor and innuendo if even that. you can't blow whistles on rumor alone.
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16 minutes ago, Sideways said:
Now the real topic…Favorite Cadets Show that He Who Shall Not be Named Ruined
1999 would be near the top
2012. 2015
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48 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
Apologies, there’s been others on the internet stating “oh they’ll be back” even though the statement clearly points out that they can’t come back. Didn’t think people could be as naive.
Denials not just a river in Egypt.
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4 hours ago, Cainan said:
If The Cadets had simply folded due to the cost of fuel, housing, insurance, food etc, I could live with that. Sad but hey, them's the breaks and life goes on. The fact that this was instead 100% self inflicted, it kinda pisses me off to be honest. I see lots of comments about He Who Shall Not Be Named... well, these actions pre-date him. Looking at the big picture, I can now see how he did what he did as the culture was already there. FOR THE RECORD... I am in NO WAY excusing the actions... I think he should be in prison right now. Just that this stuff was happening BEFORE him. As much as I hate to say it, the corps SHOULD have died back in 2018. We simply got a bonus five years on life support. This is sad, perplexing, anger inducing and TOTALLY unsurprising I'm afraid.
He was administration when the event in the suit happened and in his legal woes it was pointed out his actions predated the episode in this lawsuit
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14 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said:
Regarding GH and claims regarding a current staff member at Vanguard:
he hasn't been to a show in a while. after the eruption the other year, he's stayed away especially after DCI went legal in a social media post or Press release. and trust me, if he did go, no way he'd be quiet about it. unless hes wearing serious disguises, the few shows left around here he'd be too well known to sneak in and fly under the radar.
as for the kid...well....kids often defend their parents to a fault.
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and...so sad. i enjoyed so many shows. i had students march there. friends march and teach there. friends kids march there. one of the best days for me as an educator was the day before hershey in 98 watching Aungst and company work the drumline at Mechanicsburg HS for several hours. i learned so much watching and listening.
they zigged. they zagged. hell they zugged. their Allentown performance in 18 will be burned in my brain forever. But in the end, the past caught up with them. i hope other teams throw in Zpulls this summer just cause
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1 hour ago, Richard Lesher said:
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo.................
Any chance the DCP admins will bring back the thread they removed of my pointing out Cadets were in regulatory violation of state law by failing to register as a charity?
message one and ask. moot point now.
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1 hour ago, Galen said:
Agreed- even the press release is riddled with gaslighting and victim-blaming.
remember a board member came here inviting questions, then refused to answer them if you didn't reveal where you got the info you asked about.
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2 hours ago, HockeyDad said:
I get that people are mad and upset. But the - she got what she wanted - they got their pound of flesh- stuff is ridiculous. What “she wanted”, I’m pretty sure, was to not be sexually molested. And then have to live with the stigma and victim blaming over the past 40 years and even up to this minute. So, yeah, let this be a warning to all those corps that still exist. DFTK. Perhaps this is the message that’s needed. Have you corps received it loud and clear??
well said. thank you
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3 hours ago, RiverCityAndTroopersFan said:
So Cadets of Memphis... isn't happening
never was once they realized if truly serious, they'd be added to the lawsuit
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3 hours ago, keystone3ply said:
He was actually named in the lawsuit, (statement #35 I think), of having knowledge of the incident & took no action. I think he may have been the assistant director at the time. I posted about the statement last year under the lawsuit topic but dcp will not let me search.
i do believe he was AD yet at this time.
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3 hours ago, Jeffe77 said:
Fair point. But ultimately the plaintiff's lawyers had to know this would be the end result, right?
i think they wanted money, thats why they kept adding people and organizations. but let's be honest....as we continue to learn, it was a toxic place. eventually it had to catch up with them. everyone thought 2018 would be what killed the corps, but amazingly it lasted 5 more years.
i do wish board members that came on here inviting questions had been less dickish when asked the questions last fall. but in hindsight, my questions were answered.
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82 changed the game. 83 expanded it. 82 never gets enough love, but i love it.
84....yup. 87 oh yes. 89 OMG! 93 oh yes. 98 too. 2000....oh yes. 05 has grown on me. 11 Sacktigs masterpiece. 13.i'll even throw love to 80 and 81.
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15...19....toss up. the others no doubt.
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13 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
Are the all-age corps required to have the same background checks as the other DCI corps?
How about the alumni corps who are doing exhibitions at DCI shows? I ask because a lifetime sex offender almost slipped under the radar performing at DCI shows AFTER the Nadolny series of articles. Someone saw him and reported it to the Cavaliers organization and they removed him from the group. Midwest Connection, an alumni group.These procedures take a good amount of time. I had two background checks recently for TSA precheck and a purchase. Six weeks minimum. I passed, btw.
i hope DCI hasn’t dropped the ball again considering that they have two lawsuits pending against them for abuse.
they are required to follow all of DCI's policies on everything
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13 hours ago, Terri Schehr said:
Are the all-age corps required to have the same background checks as the other DCI corps?
How about the alumni corps who are doing exhibitions at DCI shows? I ask because a lifetime sex offender almost slipped under the radar performing at DCI shows AFTER the Nadolny series of articles. Someone saw him and reported it to the Cavaliers organization and they removed him from the group. Midwest Connection, an alumni group.These procedures take a good amount of time. I had two background checks recently for TSA precheck and a purchase. Six weeks minimum. I passed, btw.
i hope DCI hasn’t dropped the ball again considering that they have two lawsuits pending against them for abuse.
from several reliable sources, now that the All Age corps are part of DCI, they follow all of DCI's rules on policies and procedures on everything, including background checks.
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1 hour ago, Barneveld said:
Wouldn't be surprised if we're given a lecture on it.
I didn’t make the joke
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5 minutes ago, Slingerland said:
He didn't do it alone. There was a nominal Board of Directors at YEA all those years he was dissembling -with individuals and with their finances - and those BOD members never stepped in to investigate what was going on or create a culture of transparency. The YEA Board members thru the time of Hopkins' ouster were complicit in weakening the org to the point where they needed to close YEA down and start over, and, from a protection standpoint, the new org might as well have been a newborn lamb in a field full of hyenas..
they were lapdogs. They did what he wanted
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8 minutes ago, Jeffe77 said:
I’m for justice for victims of sexual abuse etc, but it seems to me that the only outcome in this lawsuit and going after any entity with the Cadet's moniker would only result in this and thus they get nothing monetarily. This is not like going after a mogul or the Catholic Church with deep pockets. It’s a newly formed organization that technically had nothing to do with the very unfortunate events from 42 years ago.
Yup but the law said you claim the heritage you claim the baggage.
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14 minutes ago, craiga said:
Any news from Cadetworld?
apparently just the sounds of the waves of Lake Erie lapping against the shores of Presque Isle
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5 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:
2024: Fiedler on the Roof.
i'd say that probably triggered someone somewhere sometime
Cadets and bankruptcy
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as the lawsuit is still active and they are listed, i doubt it. Plus i believe Cadets membership was revoked.
when the rumors of everything being sold or returned this fall surfaced, the eventual outcome was known, just not the timing.