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The first look at any new drums I've seen for the new season.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtUISLIs6lm/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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I’m saddened and disappointed that Port Clinton, OH in 1996 and the mayflies has not been mentioned yet.
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On 6/7/2023 at 11:31 PM, Jeff Ream said:
percussion age out rules mirror DCI's age out. guard is different
+ 1 year for clarity for anyone who needs it.
DCI is you can't turn 22 before June 1.
WGI is you can't turn 23 before April 1.
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10 hours ago, DCIFan2022 said:
They are marching 6!
That’s what I figured. It sounded like the top drum was missing in the split parts.
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2 hours ago, DCIFan2022 said:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CtMpalauoiv/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
A look at the Crown perfusion warming up!I saw that video earlier. I like that Broken City exercise. I heard gaps in the bass part. I wonder if they are marching 6. I thought I counted 5 in the video.
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I think the shopping cart is the least of the issues displayed. I just wonder where they got it. There are no shopping locations near UD Arena. I think they may have brought it with them to haul some stuff around. In any event, I’m not concerned about the cart.
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Since people are trying to connect SCV to this event, are there any staff that taught elsewhere so those corps can be blamed too? What about the members who marched other corps? I know some were out there. Do we blame those corps too for not teaching their members how to act?
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There is this:
and multiples rumors of being highly intoxicated, which is generally the fuel for such behavior to occur. I'm sure WGI wasn't going to address that in their statement to draw attention to it.
You can be extremely good at something and still be an a**hole. If members are just a**holes who chose to get sh*tfaced after the final performance, all you can do it ban them from coming back the next season at that point.
I think Bluecoats had similar issues during Mike McIntosh's final season (2008) and that ultimately led to him resigning because the attitude of the members was frustrating for the staff from what I recall. I could be wrong but I heard a lot of those members were real jerks.
Infinity is certainly not the first to act like this and probably not the last but not everyone is smart. Just remember that some of these members also probably march drum corps.
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I don't see a direct correlation here unless she specifically supplied the "fuel" for Infinity's behavior that led to them acting out in such manor.
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On 6/3/2023 at 12:48 PM, craiga said:
I agree with you. Having taught both indoor guards and winter drum lines, I get the whole facial expression/emoting thing to connect with judges and fans. I doubt however if it is possible to emote effectively at Allentown, San Antonio, or Indy. On the other hand, Headwear helps with uniformity and visual clarity, imho.
The band I work with went without traditional uniforms and headwear for a couple of years. I thought the kids looked short and you certainly can’t see faces in the Lucas oil pressbox.
They’ve since gone back to a traditional uniform and it gives the kids a much taller and slimmer look from up high.
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3 hours ago, ZTWright said:
That's why I said before they dropped out. I was in one of those bands that plotted their demise as a teenager, but now as an adult I hate to see any program falter the way they have. I thought for sure North Hardin was on their way to becoming the next great 2A band, but with Brian Froedge retiring, it's certainly hit them pretty hard, I don't see that happening anymore.
Complete side conversation but it is interesting to see what programs came out of Covid stronger and those that suffered because of it. Wether it be district policies changing, directors changing, or things like Covid I think we've all seen some great programs come and go. Certainly the ones who remain are certainly playing the game when it comes to electronics. These groups can be pushing the envelope in new and unique ways or adapting just so they can hang on for dear life to stay relevant.
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2 hours ago, ZTWright said:
Tarpon isn't the only exception. Marian Catholic for how long before they dropped out?
True but not any longer.They are hanging on by a thread now. I've heard school enrollment is down and Greg Bimm just retired. It woud take another special effort for a school of a class AA size to be able to do what they do. Tarpon Springs is already special since they are the arts magnet school for PInellas County. Not exactly a traditional high school.
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8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:
corrected for you
The Class A champion last year would beg to differ. A and AA bands all have virtually no shot at making Finals. Tarpon Springs is the exception but there are plenty of A and AA bands I would consider successful.
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9 minutes ago, Tim K said:
When I read the article, I wondered if the reason had less to do with amplification and more to do with making competition equitable. I do not follow BOA since the shows are not held near my home. I’m familiar with a few of the programs but only in a very limited way. However I do know a bit about high school programs in general, and athletic associations are trying to expand opportunities for a wider range of students. In my area, inner city schools may fare as well on a football field, basketball court, or baseball field as their suburban counterparts, but do they have access to hockey rinks or field houses for indoor track? Do they have the funds for gymnastics, lacrosse, rugby, or field hockey? There are public and private organizations trying to make this happen but in many cases the answer is no.
From what I see, most of the bands in BOA are from public schools. There are a few Catholic high schools and there could be some private schools. For the public schools, my understanding is most are funded by booster organizations and some hail from affluent areas. Some may not have that network. Electronics and amplification can be costly. A well funded program could easily beat an equally good program musically that does not have the funds for the bells and whistles. In drum corps we can say that’s life, but drum corps is not a public school activity.
Just as with drum corps, high school marching is a battle of the haves and have nots.
Pretty much all highly successful BOA competing bands are in the Have category. As sad as it is, money is what makes the world go round and if your band program has money, it makes your job so much easier.
I don't think the fact its a public school or private matters that much. its all about the community support via money, time and something as simple as volunteer support. There are successful programs in public schools in all kinds of neighborhoods and there are also unsuccessful programs. Same with private schools. This can even occur in the same town/school district. Funding from the public school system only goes so far, it is definitely the ancillary fundraising done by support groups that take it to the next level.
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21 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
It was an effect. And as I've said over and over again electronics are useful for effects and other added nuances. Reinforcing organic sound is something entirely different.
yet this is the highlighted bullet point. Without clearly written interpretation Pandora's box gets opened up. If you have to ask what is acceptable it need to be more defined. Vague recommendations will just cause people to get angry.
- The use of sampled, prerecorded, or sequenced sounds of woodwind, brass, and/or percussion instruments is not permitted.
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I'll throw another item out here:
If DCI followed the "recommendations" of BOA, would Bluecoats have not been allowed to do the pitch bend in Tilt?
Wasn't that a sampled brass sound that was blended with acoustic playing? Just another example of how limiting what can and cannot be sampled is a very grey area.
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1 hour ago, Tenoris4Jazz said:
Way off base here. The base runner is to keep games from going on and on. They are trying to make games shorter and more exciting to keep fan interest, not "so the umps and players can hurry up and get to the bar afterwards." Dumb statement.
As for the shift ban... baseball was never meant to be played with a defensive shift. Personally, they waited too long to ban it. As for your "advice"... someone spends 16 years playing baseball and makes it to the show, and you suddenly want them to quit doing what got them there and do something they've never done? Ridiculous.
Agree to disagree but baseball now has no substance at the major league level. The only stats any care about in the MLB are strikeouts, home runs and anything involving a radar gun. Ask yourself why everyone does a shift now when they didn't 15-20 years ago? Because kids growing up aren't taught to hit the ball to the opposite field. That is a failure of education at the youth level. Maybe there are some parallels when it comes to music education here.
The simple skill of bunting has disappeared from the game. Pure baseball was designed to be a match of skill and strategy. Now it is 100 mph fastballs and home run exit velocity. Stolen bases have disappeared to but are only coming back because of new rule limits preventing how many times a pitcher can throw over to a base.
And I say all of this with a family member who plays professional baseball. He happens to fortunately be in a situation where he is being taught to pitch effectively and not just throw as hard as he can but it seems like hitters just want to pull the ball and hit home runs instead of singles anymore. Some basic fundamentals are disappearing and the shift rule is popping up to cater to those hitters who are one dimensional since they only know how to pull the ball. Want to whine about the shift, drop a few bunts down the opposite field line where nobody is standing and see if they keep shifting on you.
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49 minutes ago, TheOneWhoKnows said:
You make a good point here and I understand the sentiment. I think cutting members off certain sections of music is still more organic than reinforcing those that are good.
At least personally, getting cut off a part provides desire and will to improve to be put back on a part.
I think the depends on the student and the staff and the motive when you teach a competitive activity trying to win rings and titles. I think in most cases when a player gets cut off a part they never get put back on it. In my case as a percussion teacher, I have to adapt the entire ensemble moment to the abilities of the entire section 95% percent of the time. Sometimes you can do creative part layering but not always.
In both cases, (electronic enhancement or not) the scenarios become more about competitive success and less about education.
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So now that we are railing against bands who mic/amplify their better players to sound better (which I agree is not in the spirit of fair play), when do we start railing against bands and drum corps horn lines who cut their weaker players off of their parts to make the ensemble sound better?
Same concept of hiding an ensemble's flaws, its just the electronics aren't involved. We all know it happens and everybody does it and has been doing it for years. I'm a percussion guy and its a lot harder to hide us because everyone can see hands move but its a lot easier to fake playing a wind instrument.
In the spirit of "you are only as strong as your weakest member" people should believe that is unacceptable too.
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5 hours ago, cixelsyd said:
If this was "Technology of America", then fine. But I could have sworn they called it "Bands of America".
Or they call the organization Music for All. Which sounds pretty inclusive to me.
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5 hours ago, denverjohn said:
Enslaved Chinese Uighurs digging for cobalt and lithium will get right on those batteries.
In the words of Judge Smails, "The world needs ditch diggers too."
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6 hours ago, Lance said:
both the pitch clock and putting runners on base in extras were to address the length of games which greatly impacts new viewership. the pitch clock does a lot more to shorten games and enable hurrying up and getting to a bar. i think most people are onboard with the pitch clock, but the 2b runner in extras is a bit more controversial, but has plenty of proponents in the game and in fandom. implying it was enacted out of laziness? come on lol.
banning the shift also has plenty of proponents, many of which are rational humans. but yeah, it's pretty controversial. i like it because the shifting got so absurd it didn't even look like baseball anymore. it also rewards more skilled batters. reducing it to a problem that doesn't exist is pretty myopic, imo.
there is nuance to any discussion about these kinds of rules, just like there is in marching band. maybe try to explore it a little? you have people like you (as far as I can tell) and MikeD who are literally "anything goes", but i'm betting that even you advocate drawing some lines.
Side topic but what is advancing the game about a bunch of pull hitters who do nothing but try to hit the hardest home run they can and refuse to adapt to the way a team defends them.
That is why the rule is dumb. People can agree or disagree but it was a rule put in place because hitters refused to adapt and just whined about it. The same type of thing could be done in the music world with certain competitive rules.
Of course I advocate for rules but if you have a rule, you'd better define a way to quantify and enforce it. We are getting into rules about how to enforce electronics that will be on par with defining how vague a catch or fumble is in the NFL.
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8 minutes ago, jjeffeory said:
Innovation can take many forms and can involve both working within established rules and ignoring them. It ultimately depends on the specific context and the nature of the rules in question.
In some cases, innovation may involve finding new and creative ways to operate within existing rules and constraints. For example, a company may be able to innovate by improving its products or services within the boundaries of existing regulations or by finding new ways to optimize its operations within the limits of its available resources.
However, there may be situations where existing rules are too rigid or outdated to allow for true innovation, and breaking those rules may be necessary to achieve meaningful progress. For instance, a startup may need to challenge established industry norms and regulations to disrupt the status quo and bring new products or services to market.
Overall, the most innovative approaches involve striking a balance between creativity and practicality, and finding new ways to work within existing rules or challenge them when necessary. Ultimately, innovation is about finding new solutions to old problems, and sometimes that means rethinking the rules that govern our systems and processes.
You aren't wrong. There is also the case of baseball where they seem to be known to create new rules for problems that don't exist.
Pitch clock = great idea
starting extra innings with a base runner = seems a bit unfair and just trying to get the game over so the umps and players can hurry up and get to the bar afterwards.
banning the shift = dumbest rule ever - want to beat the shift? maybe lay down a bunt or try to hit to the opposite field once in a while.
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Just now, jjeffeory said:
Sounds like you can use a sample, but the person needs to strike each note at a time a sound is made compared to just pushing a button and letting it play through a sequence.
And that has been in the rules already for quite a while. Sound samples are built in and triggered syllable by syllable for anything that has rhythmic intent. The real question is anyone policing it because I'm pretty sure there are groups who skirt the rules.
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2023 Drums
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
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Mandarins had a red sparkle. I posted it in their topic when they did. I'm too lazy to add it here if someone else wants to share it. I haven't seen anyone else's official drums yet of note.
Crossmen seem to still have black Yamaha. Not sure if they intend to replace them.
Troopers shared some photos on their drums arriving on instagram. The only photo with an actual drum was black and white but it appears to be some sort of light to dark fade. If it is a yellow or orange to black fade like their show graphics it could look great.