I agree with the spin for flags and twirl for baton. I twirled baton for 15 years before I got into color guard. I was never a national champion, the closet I got was 3rd, but still not bad. It definatly helped when I got into sabre's. It was exactly like a baton for me. Blue Devils winterguard in 91-92 had alot of baton moves in their sabre section. And one of their instructors is a baton teacher.