G_Bass Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 I recently got 3 of 'em, a Sop, a Bari and a Bass Bari. All are G Getzen Titleists with 1 valve. Anyone know if for sure they are G-D horns, or if they are different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martybucs Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 I recently got 3 of 'em, a Sop, a Bari and a Bass Bari. All are G Getzen Titleists with 1 valve. Anyone know if for sure they are G-D horns, or if they are different? Rotor horns also? If they are just single valve with a slide they are probably G/D. On the soprano, with the tubing on the left side of the the bell, as you're playing the horn, it is a fairly open wrap. With the G/F horn, (I think the G/F horns all had rotors by this time), the tubing on the left of the bell was a real tight wrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornsUp Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Anyone know if for sure they are G-D horns? You would, if you'd play them. They will all sound a G harmonic series on the open horn. With the piston in, a G-D horn sounds a D series. With the piston in, a G-F horn sounds an F series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Getzen Titleist were the last horizontal valve bugles that they made and were produced during the 1960's. The Titleist series came in either G-D or G-F as the F valve was legalized in 1968. The easiest way to tell is to check the tubing coming of the valve. The F valve tubing will be about 8-9 inches on a soprano, double that for the baritones, equaling the first valve on a standard G bugle. The D valve tubing length will be much longer, approx 20-21 inches on the sop, double that again for the baritone. The F valve with drop pitch a major second and the D valve a perfect fourth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-horns Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Getzen Titleist were the last horizontal valve bugles that they made and were produced during the 1960's. The Titleist series came in either G-D or G-F as the F valve was legalized in 1968. The easiest way to tell is to check the tubing coming of the valve. The F valve tubing will be about 8-9 inches on a soprano, double that for the baritones, equaling the first valve on a standard G bugle. The D valve tubing length will be much longer, approx 20-21 inches on the sop, double that again for the baritone. The F valve with drop pitch a major second and the D valve a perfect fourth. One way to tell from the sound is to play a C (concert G - match to a keyboard if necessary) and then press in the valve while still playing. A G-F will sound a full step lower when the valve is pressed. The G-D will usually sound a 1/2 step lower. Of course, you could take photos and most of us oldtimers can tell in a heartbeat what you have. Using the presence or absence of a rotor is inconclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martybucs Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Here is a site with a wealth of info on bugles. Interesting stuff and links and pictures. bugle stuff. seems like, according to this site that G/F bugles were introduced by the F.E. Olds company in 1968 with a rotor, but I seem to remember older Getzens with a rotor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Bass Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 Correction: The Bass Bari is a Titleist, the Bari is a Slingerland, and the Sop is a W.F.L. Drum Co. from Chicago, Il. And I think they are G/D horns. But as soon as I can post pics up, I'll do that, and let y'all pick 'em apart :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Getzen Titleist were the last horizontal valve bugles that they made and were produced during the 1960's. The Titleist series came in either G-D or G-F as the F valve was legalized in 1968. The easiest way to tell is to check the tubing coming of the valve. The F valve tubing will be about 8-9 inches on a soprano, double that for the baritones, equaling the first valve on a standard G bugle. The D valve tubing length will be much longer, approx 20-21 inches on the sop, double that again for the baritone. The F valve with drop pitch a major second and the D valve a perfect fourth. Interesting, I'll have to check the single valve Baris I have. Thought the 50s WFL Tenor Bari was a G/F as the "valve" notes sound different than my 1930s Conn G/D Tenor Bari. Now that I can check the length of the valve tubing I don't have to depend on my crappy untrained ears.... Thanks..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_Bass Posted January 2, 2008 Author Share Posted January 2, 2008 I just tested them again, and from G, they go down a perfect 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-horns Posted January 2, 2008 Share Posted January 2, 2008 Here is a site with a wealth of info on bugles. Interesting stuff and links and pictures.bugle stuff. seems like, according to this site that G/F bugles were introduced by the F.E. Olds company in 1968 with a rotor, but I seem to remember older Getzens with a rotor. Getzen (and others) offered F#, F and E (bari only) rotors for their G-D bugles, in addition to the slip-slide models. On the "pea-shooter" contras, they only offered the F and F# rotors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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