blueorginal Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Okay First off this is no reflection on SCV's decision to do exhibition instead of competing. The call was the right call for them to make. So on to the excercise in black helicopters and such. The Premise: if Corps A, B, C, and D are in a tight race leading into finals and Corps B gets hit with a medical issue that knocks 20% of the corps out and they decide to perform exhibition as to not disappoint the fans but not get a lower score possible before finals. The question: If judges aren't suppose to use previous scores when they adjudacate then what would it matter? Assumption: If corps B was worried a lower score would hinder their chances at winning does that give legs to the theory that the judging system isn't what it claims to be? Varible: What would of happened if B performed and was judged and the judges were feeling sorry for the illness and the score jumped 2 points would that be falsely carried over into finals where the other judges would use that higher score as a base? Just putting it out there Edited August 4, 2009 by blueorginal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decompressed Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 As a judge, you should never feel sorry for a corps or let outside influcences factor into your number. You can only judge what is onthe field that night. Sickness, holes, etc. should not impact your thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decompressed Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 As a judge, you should never feel sorry for a corps or let outside influcences factor into your number. You can only judge what is onthe field that night. Sickness, holes, etc. should not impact your thought process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I was thinking the same thing this morning..... SCV seemed flat/off whatever last night. Say they earned a 92.85, is that really such a big deal? When they are healthy and on at quarterfinals they should score a 95+ or whatever. Pulling them out indicates to me that there is a fear that the judges would think the latest score of 92.85 is typical and bump them up from there rather than scoring them to the sheets as they should. The only other explanation is protecting the psyche of the corps. Don't want them to feel under-appreciated! Frankly, I don't want to believe EITHER of these scenarios. I can understand pulling them out of the show for rest or doing a standstill for reduced exertion, but having the corps performing as they normally would (sans a dozen members or so) and having the judges standing right there...... just put a dang score to it! It hurts no one. (theoretically ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Okay First off this is no reflection on SCV's decision to do exhibition instead of competing. The Premise: if Corps A, B, C, and D are in a tight race leading into finals and Corps B gets hit with a medical issue that knocks 20% of the corps out and they decide to perform exhibition as to not disappoint the fans but not get a lower score possible before finals. The question: If judges aren't suppose to use previous scores when they adjudacate then what would it matter? Assumption: If corps B was worried a lower score would hinder their chances at winning does that give legs to the theory that the judging system isn't what it claims to be? Varible: What would of happened if B performed and was judged and the judges were feeling sorry for the illness and the score jumped 2 points would that be falsely carried over into finals where the other judges would use that higher score as a base? Just putting it out there Judges are instructed to judge the comparative performances of the corps in front of them in that competition. Period. What happens off the field, or in any previous show is a non factor. ( or at least that is how it's supposed to work anyway ) So it seems to me all of your scenarios would be irrelevant. There is no " sympathy " caption on the judging sheets either. Edited August 4, 2009 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zajicek1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 A) judges who knows B) it could be (not saying it is for SCV) that corps B would do exhibition so the members don't try and push to hard. Mostly thinking something like someone who is sick but mostly better coming back to soon because it is judged. Maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peel Paint Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 On the other hand, it's kind of like showing a realtor your house, that you intend to put on the market, without having it ready to go, before all the clutter has been cleaned out and it's been freshly painted, etc. You're creating a mindset, and selling a product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khoutler Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 "As a judge...You can only judge what is on the field that night." "What happens off the field, or in any previous show is a non factor." Aaaaaah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!! Whoooo...good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Brace Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 this has so little to do with judging....the decision arrived at (no doubt through negotiations with DCI (Dave G., George H., etc....oh yeah and Dan A. (their secretary) was that if SCV did not show...they'd pay out of pocket a penalty for failure to show up. So, it was most likely negotiated they do an exhibition so as to not suffer the failure to appear fee. Which brings up another question....were Blue Stars and Crown assessed these failure to appear penalties this year? Hmmm. The plots...the turns...the drum corps soap opera. As far as judges go...I know a visual judge pretty well and he has always stated that a judge is supposed to ignore the hole...pretend a member is occupying that spot. What the judge focuses on is the spacing around that spot. That's the toughest part...to maintain the correct spacing around the hole, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradrick Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) this has so little to do with judging....the decision arrived at (no doubt through negotiations with DCI (Dave G., George H., etc....oh yeah and Dan A. (their secretary) was that if SCV did not show...they'd pay out of pocket a penalty for failure to show up.So, it was most likely negotiated they do an exhibition so as to not suffer the failure to appear fee. (snip) Sounds like a pretty reasonable explanation. So, I'm guessing that a standstill does not qualify as an "appearance" at the show (according to the DCI contract or performance guidelines)? Anyone know for sure if that is the reason why they marched instead of just doing a standstill? Edited August 4, 2009 by bradrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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