JoeW Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 well i have a quick question.......beside the bore difference, isnt the c trumpet ( commonly used in orchestras) in the same key as a g bugle......because isnt the middle partial G on both? thanks for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donk Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Nope, don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 No. I don't remember all the details, but there's quite a bit that goes into the key of an instrument. The key is the fundamental pitch of the horn, which for C trumpet is, of course, C. And a C trumpet is considerably different from a G sop (or even a Bb sop, at that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 (edited) On a C trumpet, the fundamental pitch is a C, and the second partial is a G. On a G bugle, the fundamental is G, second partial is D. At least, that's how it should be. I am a trombone player, after all, but we have the same issue between alto (pitched in Eb) and tenor trombones (Bb). Edited October 17, 2003 by tankbone2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitn0926 Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 What do you mean by "middle partial"? The basis of all brass instruments is the harmonic (or overtone) series, where the lowest open note (or fundamental) determines the key of that particular instrument and this is followed by a series of open partials above fundamental. The 3rd partial of the trumpet, soprano, mellophone or any other upper brass instrument is a written "G". But many of these are transposing instruments, so when a G soprano plays a written "G" it will actually sound as a concert "D". I hope this clears some things up for you. Dustin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitn0926 Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 On a C trumpet, the fundamental pitch is a C, and the second partial is a G. You're pretty close, Tankbone. The fundamental pitch of the C trumpet is actually the pedal tone. The next C up is the second partial followed by the G on the third partial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMBob Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 In simplest terms, without talking about partials, a C trumpet is pitched higher (a [perfect fourth higher) than a G bugle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainwelch Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Open Notes on a Bugle: G G D G B D F G etc.... Open Notes on a C horn: C C G C E G Bb C etc... not even close dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted October 19, 2003 Author Share Posted October 19, 2003 k...dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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