Wes and I have been friends forever, however I haven't had the opportunity to see him much in the past few years, with us being in two different parts of the country now. Wes designed a few years for BLack Gold Drum and Bugle Corps, and yes, he taught Santa Clara the year they won DCI in 1989 with Phantom of the Opera, taught them again in 1990 when they did Miss Saigon, and then came back in 1993 for their anniversary show of Fiddler on the Roof. He is an amazingly gifted designer and has always been one of my "icons". While you are right, his indoor guards have not always faired as well in the last several years as his legendary Union guards, his shows have always forged new ground and left people talking. If you haven't seen videos of Union World in 1993, or of Union High School when they came back out and placed 7th or 8th in Scholastic World in 1994 I think, I would highly recommend it. He brings indoor guards out rarely nowadays, and usually sporadically, because he, and again I am speaking from our last conversation which was several years ago, is really enjoying involving himself more in designing outdoor programs, plus he becomes so intensely involved in an indoor guard, that he no longer wants to put forth all that time and energy year after year in developing a competitive indoor program.