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Well obviously he saw things going in the right direction. I did'nt thats why I left and I was right. I came 9 tenths from a championship. I'll take that. Not to mention you can have the best player all of drum corps in a your corps and still finish 17th because its more to do with the staff design team and whole group winning.

You know what DCI should just test it. Test it one year or even one corps. Bring Star of Indiana and have them have the no age limit and a whole year to prepare and they practice just as much as everyone else. Result Championship by about 2 points and the most demanding visual and musical show anyone has ever seen. More talent than Cadets, Cavies and BD all put together. Guess what guys it would stick. As far as saying it would just be a senior corps. It would but it would'nt because senior corps don't rehearse for 90 straight long days. If Syracuse ever did and competed. Watch out because thats what it would be rediculous.

Obviously not everyone will be able to do it. But yes the teachers and people who are in law school med school or just Teach alot of marching band in the fall and write drill for a living. Lets remember not all the staff in drum corps right now are just teachers. they take the summer off too. If you had peformers like that the music world would not call drum corps amatuer hour anymore and would have to give it its due as a profesional group. The shows would be rediculous and longer by the way like 15 minutes instead of 11 or 12 minutes.

I could not have said it better myself. Thats what I mean more than ever because I'm 27 now and I feel stronger than I ever have and more mentally able to handle stress both physically and mentally. When your 19 you still have not maximized your full physical or mental potential even 21 you have not. Most NFL football players using football because of the physical demans are in their prime between the ages of 23 and 30. After 30 is when you see a gradual but sometimes sharp decline physically whether being a step slower or just getting injured all the time. If you look at the numbers with stats and yards. They perform the best between those ages. At 20 they are actually slower and not as mentally tough as when say they are 25. Its like if Peyton Manning or better yet Tom Brady never through another pass after college. Heck Tom Brady did not reach his full potential until after college. Michael Jordan did not start hitting all of his scorring titles until he was between 27 and 32. Barry Sanders did not hit 2000 yards until he was 28. See my point.

Kidding me? DIV 2 and 3 would have more talent than ever because all those young kids that are between 14 and 17 that march div 1 corps would be marching div 2 and 3 not to mention most of div 2 and 3 is already between 10 and 17. They would have that much more.

DIV 2 and 3 would be for kids under 18. You would have to be 18 or 18 by the first performance in order to March DIV 1 open class,however each section meaning brass,drumline,pit and colorguard would be allowed to have one underage member that is obcourse if they could make it. Corps would be aloud to have 150 members. The season would be a bit shorter only two full months 4th of July weekend would kick off the season and extend through all of Aug meaning the championships would be the last weekend of AUG. The whole month of June would be for spring training and preparation for the season. That whole month would also inlude a judging school which like a boot camp for judges. With that said there would also be two panels of judges judging every corps at every show. Less room for error and favortism. You would have injured reserve, Retireees, and season Vets and 20 year allstars along with hall of fame performers not just teachers. IF DCI wants to make it Music Major League this is what they will do.

Here is an idea. Noch all the horns like BD and Cadets do so your in tune based on temp. I still can't figure out why other hornlines don't use this method. Its no secret why Cadets and BD are in tune every year at finals more than anyone else. To make a hornline ring without using the notch you need rediculous amounts of talent and Donny VanDoren and or the Frank Williams of 20 years ago.

Thank god you don't coach sports. I have 2 state championships from hockey playing and one from assistant coaching and we preached or was preached to trying is not good enough there is trying and doing. Your either a winner or a looser. Which side are you on boys? thats what are coaches would say to us. Pretty much thats What some of my best drum corps instructors said too. The kids that could not hack it left and good riddens. Trying hard and coming up short over and over again is like hitting your head against the wall with no results. Eventually you should win and if you don't then your not a winner your a looser.

And I'm sorry, I don't love "winners." I love people who excel at what they do and stay true to the people they care about. That has nothing to do with being a "winner." It shouldn't. If it matters to you, then thank GOD you left my corps. You don't love winners. SO you don't like any sport team that wins then or your college football team that wins. You only cheer for the team that is nice guys right. Dude I'm not gonna say what i want to say cause I'll get thrown off but that just makes you sound like one big.......................................................... a part of a women.

By the way there was nothing better than in 1998 being an underdog drum corps and beating phantom and cavies in the same night on JUNE 16th 1998. The next two weeks the staff got more intense and they were all former Cadets brass staff and they went from accepting some things to realizing how far we can go and we got pushed harder than I ever have. Frank Williams running brass rehearsals in 100 degree weather making us keep our horns up what seemed for hours. Larry telling us this is about playing the game boys and girls. You have just joined the best part about this activity. HOt tired and knowing you had a chance to win when you went into a show with Cavies and phantom and Madison back then who was good. YOu worked for it. we were playing at the next level and the staff and members were loving it. 99 was even better with bigger expectations and top design with more talent. Top corps like BD coming to watch your visual warm up. Kids at glassmen don't experience things like that anymore. thats my point

YOu know what I get so annoyed when people in drum corp say "you put too much emphasis on placement" WELL THEN WHY THE #### COMPETE IF IT DOES NOT MATTER? We might as well just all play whatever we want and have some fans come and cheer us on right. Cause with what your saying all that matters is the performance and the experience. I'm not saying that does not matter Because it is a huge part of the activity, but the four years I marched my worse experience was in 2000 when at glassmen we placed 8th and my best experience was Two years. Visually it was glassmen 99. Musically it was Cadets 01. My point is usually a good year whatever a good year for that drum corps might be. Sometimes agood year for a corps is finishing 12th sometimes 8th sometimes 5th and sometimes 1st or 2nd. Whatever the standards are for that corps meaning they went behond expectations is a much better experience than always falling short of your goals. Why do you think people leave glassmen, colts, blue knights and all the others to go to Cadets, Blue Devils, Cavies, SCV and now once again Phantom? Answer TO WIN. Or come damm near close trying. To be the best to be around the best. Everyone wants to be a winner and everyone loves a winner. Some drum Corps people kid themeselves in saying its all about the performance and the experience of getting up and working hard. Well guess what it aint worth it unless your competing at the level you went to that corps to expect to compete at. I don't know what else to say. I'm so frustrated right now. By the way I did leave Glassmen to go to Cadets because along with about 5 other vets that left and went to BD that same year after 2000. If we would have been 4th or 5th again I guarantee 4 out of 5 of us would not have left. SO does winning still not matter?

I did march there in those years and I have had talks with the Director about the direction and I respect him very very very much. I feel that there is staff there that has no business teaching a drum corps, especially in the visual dept along with some of the brass staff. I had told the Director how 1999 was the best summer of my life drum corps wise and I loved it. We marched our ##### off and had a great horn sound. He replied with thats cause we beat you guys that summer. It did not seem to him that he enjoyed it like I Know we the members did. It seems Glassmen now enjoys getting 12th place more than what it took to get 5th place back in 98 and 99. I loved the journey to get there and the stress of the summer. Thats what being a top 6 corps is all about and unless your goal is to become that than your not giving the kids the best experience they can possibly have. If you push push push and work in the offseason to hire the right people to get you there and the right show to be there and work all summer towards finishing in the top 5 if your a bottom 6 corps and you finish 12th you still gave the kids the right journey. You probably would have finished 17th if you would not have worked as hard so in a sense you did win in a way and the kids and you took a 17th place corps and made it a 12th place corps. Thats what Drum corps is about. You turn bread crums into loafs of bread.

I just don't get what happened to Madison. At one time them and the Blue Devils were the two corps with the most talent hands down. Madison just picked less technical but more GE shows. I mean if you were a prodigy horns player, you tried out for either Madison or BD probably all the way up until 99. Then something happened. What happened? All that crazy talent they had did not get replaced. Someone just explain this to me. I had a friend in 98 that tried out for Madison soprano line he was a music major in his 3rd year and was really really good. He got cut on the first weekend. He went to a Cavies camp and made it right away over kids that had gone to other camps. It seems anyone would make it there now. Its really sad. I feel for you Madison fans. I know its not even close in comparison, but I marched Glassmen 98,99,00. Those by far and away are the best 3 straight years Glassmen has ever put on the field both show wise and competitively and probably will be the best since now they struggle just to make finals. I remember 98 not filling the hornline until JUNE. In 2000 it was filled ready to go by March. You felt that something good was about to happen something big and then all the staff left that helped build it or were asked to leave by the Director and the members followed and its been a downward spiral since. The Staff they have teaching there now especially in Brass is a joke to what we had when I was there. Don't even get me started on the visual program now. Sorry for the rant BUT WHAT HAPPENED MADISON?

To note this used to happen to Cavaliers alot in the 90's. They would win and then be guaranteed to be like 4th place the next year or even worse. In fact that is why I did not try out there in 2001. Mike Tarr who marched there for 7 years and taught there for 4 told me the year after they win for whatever reason is usually just kind of weird and sluggish. SO instead I went to Cadets. Had a great time but looks like I was wrong about Cavies being sluggish. LOL As far as Cadets having a bad year then placing 1st or 2nd the next year or next couple of years. I figured it out when I marched there. A vet told me that 2001 was nothing more than en experiment by George. See After Cadets win George tries usually a really push the envelope crazy design show to see if it takes. OR they write a show that is so rediculous hard that the kids are ridding on the edge of killing themeselves and breaking their necks the whole show. Here is a couple of years where this has happened and it is usually following a championship. 91 Cadets pushes the envelope weird design, Then they followed those years with championship type performances because GEORGE just wanted to Win again. Then 1999, Show so rediculous hard kids were almost not making it through it. Hells Kitchen at 230bm. Then 2001. No real show concept just a bunch of tunes and George even said that year he wanted to get away from the whole story telling thing. IF it were not for one of the best hornlines to ever come through Cadets and a rediculous Drumline that won and good M&M we would have been 4th. 2006 Was a show that George pushed with design that people had a hard time following. Now you can argue that 2007 was the same but he added alot more popcorn GE becuase he really wanted to win. They will be 1st or 2nd until next year at worse 3rd and only out of 2nd by a couple of tenths. They will not be 4th or 5th again until after they win. Thats the Year George will try another experiment. I don't know thats just my take

Madison did win in 95. They tied with Cadets and Devils. DUH

My Favorites: No particular order. TOP TEN TO Me. I have not seen a few corps from the last 3 years though. Cavaliers 2002. Cadets 1998. Glassmen 1999. Cavliers 1995 Star of Indiana 1993. Blue Devils 1997 Cadets 1995 Cadets 2007 Cadets of Bergen County 1990. Cadets 2003. I try to be opinionated, but i just love Cadets style and straight legs. Sorry

YOu know I'm really trying to be constructive here. If you notice Cadets are not the only corps I mention. TO be honnest I don't think Cadets should have won brass finals night in 2000. They sounded like chainsaws. Cavies should have won horns in 2000. It made more sense to members and staff of cadets in 01 when we realized how much much much better our hornline in 01 was than 2000. Your just made cause you never played in a good hornline. SOrry for you loss. LOL

Can't believe forgot about Suncoast 86. Hornline Rang better than anyone and had the best pure sound until Star 91. Not thats a bold statement. Comparison of suncoast 86 and Cadets 01 is that BOth corps to this day are still the only one's to have won HIGH BRASS at blue devils home show.

I agree with that to a certain point because I knew alot those guys in that BD hornline that year. MOst of them I marched with at Glassmen for three straight good gmen seasons 98,99,00 and they were all the best players in Gmen's section and now at BD. I was the only one who left gmen that went to Cadets. Would have went to BD, but did not get along with someone that went there who left glassmen. Anyway I just thought our book at Cadets was alot tougher and even though we did not move in the ballad when we did move we moved around alot. IF anything it should have been a tie. I mean it was closer in horns that year between both corps than even in 93 or 95 and both those years they handed out ties. I would have been satisfied with a tie.

Sorry about being wrong about BD 99. I marched Glassmen that year and I thought they won to, but then I checked a caption online somewhere today from 99 and said SCV won.

My top 5 best not to win. 86 Suncoast Sound: Frank Williams hornline and they could ring. Overtones all over the place. Knowone Rang like that again until Star 91. They should have beat BD. 01 Cadets. 2nd best hornline not to win brass. Suncoast 86 they should have won Jim OTT. 96 Blue Devils. Phantom was great, but actually for once BD moved around alot more and should have got more credit for it along with having a much more difficult book. It was tight probably should have been a tie for high horns. 92 Blue Devils. This Hornline could flat out play and Jam. Great sound, great licks, great emotion. Their lack of good marching costed them which is a shame. 98 Cadets: Although there quality of sound at finals night was a little out of tune. Technically this hornline was way better than BD that year and they also had about a ten times harder book. 98 was one of the weakest BD hornlines I heard win brass.

I guess that is the bad part though. You say predynasty errors which means dynasty errors in 00,01,02 and they still won brass in 01 which is rediculous especially since Cadets were on Yamahas and sounded far better. I've talked to BD alum who marched in the 90's and they have said 01 BD was one of the worse hornlines bd hornlines to win horns. Cadets had their best hornline to date that year. I think my point is that BD sometimes puts a great product on the field and gets credit, but other times puts crap and not saying 07 or 01 are crap because they were still good drum corps but they get the benefit of the doubt. I firmly believe also BD got screwed in 04 and should have won just like Cadets should have won this year.

You know what happened? Judges love to put BD on top of brass for whatever reason. BD"S hornline was sitting in 4th all year and then their in 1st. YEah ok NOT!!! Blue Coats got hosed. They had a great pure sound to them and you can tell alot of talen, much like we had in 01 at cadets, but guess what we were 3rd in brass finals night and basically winning in horns the whole season. Until people realize that as GOod as BD is Judges give them the benefit of the doubt over other corps when it comes to horns for what they did in the 90's. Always will be like that too. Sorry blue Coats. thought you guys did have a top 3 hornline. I thought Cadets should have won Brass based on how hard their techiniality and you guys should have been 2nd for your sound with Crown in 3rd for theirs. Pick a spot for everyone else. BD was no better than a 4th place hornline this year and everyone knew it and Corps got screwed because of it.

I agree was not the best 2nd place corps, but the best hornline to not win brass yes it was. Did not Gino tell you guys in 05 that was the best hornline he ever taught?