Kewl thx for the info, I will have to check them out.
anymore info out there?
And on the world class talk about setting new standards or being super clean and maybe a little safe, I seem to strugle with this myself. I always argue that we should always try to push the envelope but my problem is where do you draw the line between setting standards and venturing into the unachievable? When do we as fans (students) of the activity decide "well it was dirty but they were trying a much stronger vocab" or "man that was clean, but it should be as it is an A or Open class skill" and then who do you forgive? Wow I think I gave myself a headache.