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CMHS59: Your comment of: "cmhs59, on 15 October 2012 - 04:56 PM, said: far safer than the boy scouts, and heaven forbid one darn sight safer than having your child become an alter boy... You are right, CMHS59, you did not move this here. That was addressed to DCP. This discussion took place there and was moved here by a person representing DCP as an Administrator on FB. Michael New Re: DCA and legal standings of members, feel free to discuss in the serious topic going on over on our moderated main forums, http://www.drumcorpsplanet.com/forums/index.php/topic/154245-sex-offenders-being-involved-with-drum-corps/page__pid__3222576#entry3222576 - it's a little volatile for this sort of FB group. Thanks! Sex offenders being involved with drum corps www.drumcorpsplanet.com given the posts removed elsewhere, but given all that is going on in the real world with this issue as well as seeing how DCA is cracking down on thi... Like · · Unfollow Post · October 12 at 12:43pm via mobile

CMHs59 and Drum Corps Planet: You should be very careful bringing the Boy Scouts into this discussion given the DCP Terms of Service. You can disclaim DCP six ways to Sunday, but the fact you encouraged this thread by moving it from FB to DCP leaves you open for further scrutiny. Reading through this thread, do you think the content complies with the DCP Terms of Use 5. Member Conduct? And further, to those of you that post about knowing this or knowing that about a registered sex offender,call the police and report it if you think there is something wrong. Let the police vet out if this person is breaking the Sex Offender Legislation in their state. Otherwise, you're no better than Joe Paterno and all the others that knew and decided not to call the police.

Hi Larry, I just saw this. With deep sympathy for the loss of a good friend from drum corps. thank yuou also for the posts about John. Jane

It really is hard to see members lost...so sorry for the many losses. Nice of you to remember all of them here.

Hi, We were having this discussion on the Des Plaines Vanguard Facebook page in the last week regarding the tragedies of the Des Plaines Vanguard in an 18 month period. The person that started the Facebook page unfortunately made it exclusive to members of the corps only. Scotty Wild raised the question as he was having trouble remembering the girls names. Our brother John Gruber was killed on June 10, 1967. The two girls, Barbara Lutz and Jean Deal were killed on Memorial Day weekend, 1968. The North Central Airlines plane crashed into the Braniff hangar at O'Hare where we used to practice in the winter, on December 28, 1968. On that day, the boy guard was rehearsing. Several of the members of the boy guard were badly injured/burned and one boy, Ronnie Lee Pappas, died nine days later from injuries from that the crash. Those were very difficult days for the corps. Imagine having all these tremendous losses as a teenager. Just wanted to recognize Ronnie... Jane Gruber Sinclair Des Plaines Vanguard 1964-66

Photo #1 is a typical look before we boarded the Vanguard buses for a competition. In this photo are: The Guys: John Gruber Jim O'Donnell Jay Knebel The Girls: Kathy Gruber Jane Gruber Violet Kois Photo #2 This is the Vanguard drumline, I believe in 1965 or 1966. My brother, John Gruber, is the tenor drummer closest to the camera. Photo#3 Larry Shuck John Gruber and Tom Miller Thanks for posting these, Nanci. Jane Gruber Sinclair

Brian, Thank you for your post. The Vanguard had a lot of tragedy in such a short period. I am sure some of that is why they are all so close today. They are a special group of people. Would you mind if I added your remarks to the Vanguard Facebook page - The Vanguard Drum & Bugle Corps - Skokie, Chicago and Des Plaines, IL? ChgoVanguard Jane (Gruber) Sinclair 1964-66

Hello, NanciD, thank you for thinking to start an "In Memorium " section and starting it with my brother, John's story. We marched with the Des Plaines/Chicago/Skokie (City based on what years you marched!) Vanguard beginning in 1964. John was a great tenor drummer in a great drumline with the Vanguard. Prior to the Vanguard John, my sister, Kathy and I started with the Berwyn Blue Knights in 1962, a very small hometown corps. before going on to the Vanguard. John was a great brother with a subtle sense of humor and quick wit. As a drummer, he was always drumming on something! On June 10, 1967, the Vanguard was participating in The Cavaliers show at Maine West High School. The Cavaliers Show was always one of the first shows where you would get to see what everyone had been working on all winter...what music, what solos, what GE, etc. Everyone was pumped to perform. This is the recollection of what happened as told by Sam Agnello, a great soprano soloist from the Vanguard. This was a post to the Des Plaines Vanguard Facebook page last week: "Dear Jane, We were practicing in a huge parking lot by Main West High School and then it started to rain, so most everyone ran to different cars to stay dry. After awhile the rain started to slow down and a few guys decided to go back out and throw a football around. Your brother John was one of those guys. A few moments later, I was sitting in my car when someone in the corps came up to me and said John was hit by lightning. I couldn't believe it. When I got out and went over by the grass, John was lying on the ground and Ron Hughes was doing CPR. The ambulance soon came and then John was rushed to Holy Family Hospital in Des Plaines. A couple days later, upon hearing of what happened to John, Vanguard Hall started receiving many cards and letters from people in the Chicago area and also from many different Drum and Bugles throughout the United States stating their condolences. There was also a heart warming article in the August 1967 Drum Corps Digest, that I am posting here. John was a great wonderful person! My prayers are with John, you and his family always, but especially on this 43rd anniversary. Sam" The family we know as drum corps. came to comfort us from near and far. It was such an unbelievable outpouring and it meant so much to all of us...our immediate family and our Vangaurd family. That support held us up during those very difficult days. From that time on, I think we all learned to embrace the people that mean so much to us and to let them know what they mean to us because life is so fragile. John was 19 when he died. Thank you Drum Corps. Planet for remembering him today. Each of us, having marched with drum corps., understands the extended family, and in some cases; the only family, we grew close to and couldn't wait to see from one time to the next. I encourage others to add people they have lost that were drum corps. friends, as a tribute to that person. Jane (Gruber) Sinclair Chicago/Skokie Vanguard 1964-66