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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Then the scores have absolutely no weight and no meaning since they are just the whim of a single person viewing a portion of a show on a random night. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
I will say the Patriots do the same. Football is a difficult thing to accept sometimes because the refs eyeball every ball placement, yet pull out the chains where its close. But do you notice the most debate about refereeing/umpiring/judging is in the places its most inconsistent? -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
This is the problem. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
That's a first. Someone from DCP says I'm smart -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
I wish I could take your advice and become a judge myself, but I am a medical biller. I lack the educational background. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
That is the entire premise of my issue. Where is the integrity of the scores when the difference is .5 point from night to night when almost nothing is changed? I don't think it is fairly explained by saying that judges have different perspectives. If a caption has appropiate content and achievement, then the score should be relatively the same no matter who is judging. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
19.6 vs 19.55 is an acceptable variance. 19.6 vs 19.1 is not. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
If that is the case then the scores mean absolutely nothing. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Yes that is the standard argument against, and the same argument was made in tennis, but the end result made tennis better. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
You are not being rude at all. No I have not been to a critique. My teaching experience is limited to band camps. I usually am not involved in season. But the reason for my question is that sure you can question a number from a judge on a given night and get good feedback, but not see that same judge in that same caption in weeks or even the rest of the season. So the purpose would be more educational than competitive -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Because when pitchers throws a strike it should be a strike in the same way a 19.6 should be a 19.6. When you give deference to superstars (which happens to be the biggest argument in pro sports and in the same way in DCI) it eliminates the integrity of the results. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
But is critique for the competitive aspect or the educational aspect? -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
I have been screaming to go to the computer strike zone for ages, but baseball is a sport with very few young sensibilities. There are still old men who hate the wild card. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
But critique won't change the score -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
The times when calls are inconclusive are rare and can be justified. If bad calls are made there is disciplinary action taken against the bad ref. The overwhelming calls made without the replay are pretty black and white. Also teams have the power to challenge calls they don't agree with. A luxury that DCI corps don't have. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Actually the human element is partially taken out of sports like football and baseball with instant replay. Its completely eliminated in tennis. The big sport with the most subjective referees is basketball and I have the same issues. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Is a 19.6 a 19.6 or not? Either we can have faith that the score would stand regardless of the judge, or not. But if we can't, the number that any judge gives means absolutely nothing. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
It sounds to me like you are trying to have it both ways. You say that the judges judge to the sheets, but at the same time a simple observational difference can swing a single score by as .5 point when there is no change in content, venue or really even performance. It just where the eyeballs of the judge happen to be that night. So I return to an earlier question. Why have scores at all? It seems like the defense of judges is that they are not biased, but their scoring is subjective so wierdness in the recaps is okay. If this is a competitive sport, shouldn't the goal be that a seasoned knowledgeable judge would give the same score another seasoned knowledgeable judge would give within maybe .05? Shouldn't a corps feel confident that if they got a 19.6 from a judge on a night, then any other judge would give them a 19.6 as well on the same night? If we can't be confident of that, why in the hell do we do this? If we can't have that confidence then judging has 0 integrity. Yet we crown winners and fans mourn losers and patterns that favor one corps over another will always cause debate. -
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ContraFart replied to onionhead's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
I don't understand the critique of the Crown performance. I think the concept of the show wasn't emotional and meant to be cerebral, so maybe that is why you felt it was flat. Also the presence of the singer concentrated any intended emotion through her so I can also see that, but historically Crown plays with a ton of emotion. Inferno and Relentless were powerfully emotional shows. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Ok I stand corrected. My point is however is that I can see variances in scores when the head to head happens less then once per week with the TOC shows having the random draw and various additions and changes are added to the show, but I do not understand how there can be that much of a difference on consecutive nights when the level of performance and the content does not significantly change. This is the second year in a row that BD was in second on both prelims and semis night, then won on finals night by a comfortable margin. That unexplainable to me. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
I understand what you are saying, but I think the difference in performance level between the top corps is so slim its almost negligible. So then I think it becomes a values issue. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
I didn't just shut up about it. I didn't see the tag then I had my sons 1st birthday party, but yes I stand corrected. BD won head to head more this season. Happy now? -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Diversity is always good. -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
But since I am the biggest DMB fan in the world, I am always going to value what they do more than Chicago Symphony and Harry Connick Jr. See the problem there? -
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ContraFart replied to DeusExGreenMachina's topic in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Changing one spot by half a point when they won the majority of head to head match ups including the prior 2 nights is a wild shift in my book. And if there is no answer to "who is better?" Then why in the hell do we have scoring in the first place?