sonofjabba

I don't know if anyone has ever seen or heard a Stingray Northstar Drumset. But they sound real good. These are super rare to find complete ones. I've only seen bits and pieces eBay never complete sets. I remember when Regional try outs were held at my high school when I was lowly freshman. I listened to a kid practicing on a set. This was late 1995 early 1996. So it couldn't have been very old. Really Rich sound.

That depends Bb horns are MUCH MUCH more plentiful and easy to get.

Almost None left now. The 1970's weren't kind to the Philadelphia Drum Corps.

What do you want to get for them. I may consider buying them from you. Send me a PM or email me at sonofjabba@comcast.net

Today I listed a bunch of Vintage Mouthpieces on eBay. All are for Baritone/Tenor Trombone (Small Shank) The Lorenzo and the King are Great lead Baritone Mouthpieces. For me anyway. A couple Bach New York's - Lorenzo Sansone - King M21 - Collegiate Holton - Getzen - Conn 3 eBay Items for seller: skatuba99

UPS, DHL, and FedEx were delivering today! USPS-Mail was not! eBay Powerseller its my bread and butter to know about such things!

I can get parts for them can you!!! :P

Yearsley, Philadelphia PAL, Earls of Bucks, Bracken Cavaliers.. Just to name a few at the top of the list. I can go on for an hour...

DING DING DING!!! WE HAVE A BINGO.. Even Brand new horns aren't Chem Cleaned exactly great. We got a NEW Contra From Kanstul that wasn't cleaned all that grat after final assembly. It was polished up to perfection, but the horn had some flux residue in it. I took care of it with Dawn and a GOOD Snake. Dr Dan's Cleaning Soap is good too. I like the dawn because it seems to remove the grease easier. And How many corps actually send their horns out at all for chem cleans!! I'm Scheduling mine for late 2007 early 2008. My repair man said If I clean it with Dawn and a snake every couple months. I'll be good for at least 2 or 3 years. Chem Cleaning also prevents Red Rot! Which can destroy a horn if not treated or repair. I've seen Good HEAVY Brass become soft as toilet paper from Red Rot. Some say its the acid in breath and spit. But many other variables can start the reaction.

If that were true then DEG should come and retune the 6 or so bugles I've got plus the dozen my corps has in storage, because no two of them play exactly in the same tuning range. Especially now with the prices they list bugles at. The only one Deg I possess that plays in tune with itself and any other horn. Is a 3 valve Deg Contrabass. The rest aren't consistant, by anymeans. Pretty bad considering two of the sopranos are only a few serial numbers apart. I'm only expressing my opinions and observations. I know I'm not always right, but I should have a right to express my opinions.

They were the best! The "Olds" name is still around. A company in New Jersey gets terrible quaility stuff and passes it off as legimate Olds. Breaks my heart. <**> :( Shame Ziggy Kanstul still lives in Olds' shadow. They have beautiful stuff, but it isn't as refined. Maybe in another 20 years. Olds didn't peak until the 1950's and that was about 35-40 year mark for them at that time.. Only time will tell. Still love My Kanstul Contra.!

They have these new things on the horns called a tuning slide. I know some of you old corps heads like jamming them in as far as you can and try to blow the bell off. Use your tuning slide and learning to blend, every horn can be different. Look at any big band or jazz band. Not everyone in there plays on all the same stuff.

I'm Not going argue with anyone here. Loud mouthpieces Are some of the best mouthpieces. I just can't justify their 150 cost. Brass is much more expensive than Stainless steel. It's 90 cents - $1 at MOST for that Chunk of Solid Stainless Round stock to cut a mouthpiece from. If anything it would be easier for them to make. No Expensive plating process is used. All processes can be done on even most basic CNC Machines Or CNC Lathes I Don't know exactly what Process they are using. Stainless isn't the exotic metal is was 60 or 70 years ago. The Cutting tools are very refined, and designed to last cutting stainless. No reason for it, other than greed. I'd Love to invest the 10 grand (If I have it) myself and buy a CNC Lathe. Then start my own line of custom mouthpieces in my basement. ~~PJ's Perfect Pieces~~ :)

Do what you want. I let what people said bother me when I shopped around looking for another outlet. Funny how they can hold a double standard when they hang with more than one corps themselves. I learned not to let it bother me so much. My Advice: DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO! Tell those who don't like it to finish their beer and shut the ---- up.

Contra mouthpieces aren't one size fits all. I believe it should be the players choice on which mouthpiece to use. Some like Bach 7's for me they're way too big, and I have to work way to hard to get it to work for me. I use a Conn-Helleberg 7B, and recently have been fiddling with different mouthpiece. Bach 22, 24AW, 25, Olds 14, But the Helleberg is the best for the horn I'm using and my donkey lips. I spent good money getting the Olds 14 Redone, it is really similar to the Helleberg but it has a smaller backbore, with a ever so slightly larger cup. Great for BBb Sousaphones. Which is what olds sold it with. I'm waiting to get an Olds 97 to see how that Plays. that is the Concert Tuba Mouthpiece. The Loud Mouthpieces are nice, but they aren't for everybody. I personally think they are overpriced & over hyped.

I still say the Most Consistant, Durable, and best playing brass came out of F.E. Olds up until about 1970 After that the quality wasn't always there. But the horns left today are generally speaking the pick of the bunch. Most have been serviced enough times to fix all the minor problems that Norlin pushed into the Olds line. Not even new off the shelf Strad 37's have the valve action going on my 1959 Ambassador Cornet has. An Olds Trumpet In 1960 With Case & Mouthpiece was 147.50. However In 1960 you could get A couple bottles of Pepsi, and a couple hershey bars, and still have plenty of change to flatten on the railroad tracks when you were done. Or take the 147.50 and byt yourself a nice used 1954 Desoto! With the NASA Inflation Calcuator The Olds today new would run about 940 bucks. But 900 bucks today will buy a lot of horn Average student horn. I'm talking REAL horn Not those Crud Chinese horns Samash or interstate sells for 190 bucks. I'm Talking Real Deal Made in USA Will run about 700-800 bucks Rent to Own Is closer to a grand. However, I'm a younger guy (Child of the 80's) I remember the guys I was in band with. And the Yamaha's with sticky valves, problems with red rot and the horn was only about 7 or 8 years old. And my Olds Ambassador Circa 1968, other than the lacquer being MIA, Still honking away after being beat around by My brother, then me, plus my Senior year of high school I loaned it to a kid that had his horn stolen from his parents car. Something I now regret because he beat the --it out of trumpet. And it Still honks away today! From left to right Is my Ambassador Trumpet, Rexcraft Bugle, Ambassador Cornet

It's Cool to use a my Helleberg 7B on the Euph.. b**bs Absolutely No Control, Like when you sick on bad food. ^0^ You should try it sometime!

3 Valve NON-Wilson Degs tend to play pretty dencent. But notes with using the third valve tend to blow flat. Not all but most of the degs I've played had this problem. The Conn 20J is a far superior horn by far. I'm still looking for an Upright bass of my own. I'd like to get an Olds BBb O-99. Anyone seeing this and would like a Nice clean Buescher Fiberglass Sousaphone (In the Optional Gold Paint!). And you have an Olds Concert tuba, I'll trade ya! :)

When I was a senior in high school. Our Bass trombonist had a wardrobe malfunction with his drawers. He calmly marched to the sideline put down his horn, fixed himself. He then marched back into the ranks finishing the show.

Read my Last post on this thread! It explains the reason for it. The way to remedy it is a lot of elbo grease and some spare time. eBay seller: Bandroom1 sells valve lapping compound. eBay item number# 7335821105 You can try lapping the valves with this. I wouldn't go crazy with it, the idea it to make it smooth without it leaking air. You can also use the old standby. Plain Toothpaste, DO NOT USE BAKING SODA OR PEROXIDE TOOTHPASTE. Its messy as #### and a bear to clean the horn out afterwards but it worked on the Kanstul Contra I was issued from the corps a few years ago before getting my own. In a few years when I bank a couple extra bucks up I'm thinking of sending my contra to Artistic Engraving in Granger, Indiana for something special. www.artisticengraving.com

I don't see a reason why, you can have the tubes cut to BBb if it came down to it. I didn't have too much trouble selling the last kanstul 3 valve I had and that was pretty bent up. And I was already offered 2500 for mine. Contras are hard to get, if the right people see it you can get good money pretty quick for them. And the Older Kanstuls with the Chrome Plated valves are much nicer than the ones or DEGs including the Wilson horns. The monel valves in these newer horns are horrible All the manufacturers are copying yamaha's mistake. Monel really isn't designed for a fast sliding/piston application. and it seems to have a negative reaction with the brass causing the monel to turn black, which is the why the kanstuls have a reputation for bad valves. Monel is better suited for use with Magnesium or Aluminum. I'm lucky enough to have a prototype contra with the nickel chrome valves. I don't need to soak the crap out of them in blue juice every time I use the horn. One thin line of Venture oil, and it lasts all day. A few year ago I read a post I think it was on the trumpet herald forum went into length about this. I remember the folks I marched in high school with when the one got a strad. He left his yamaha student trumpet in his cage for like 6 months, when he took it out he had a heck of a job getting the valves going. The monel that isn't supposed to corrode was completely black, Except around the where the tubing cut outs didn't touch the valve body. I'm not the brightest mechanic but its telling me that monel and brass cause a severe galvanic corrosion issue. Funny none of my OLDS horns or my Buescher Sousaphone, or the Contra with chrome plated valves have that problem. And my Olds horns sit unplayed for months between maintenance oils. I still love kanstul’s horns. I’d love to just try their BBb Upright bass tuba. Amazing how Kanstuls concert tuba’s are designed like a mix of Olds O-99 and Conn 10J. I’d love to see what quality of rotary valved french horns, and tuba’s they’d make if they took on the challenge.

Depends on your definition of good. But the Average rate for used G kanstuls are around. 350 - 425 for Sopranos 400 - 500 for Mellophones and baritones 450 - 600 for Euphoniums 2000 - 3500 for 3 valve Contras 4 valve Grandes I'd say are worth 3500 - 3750 maybe more depends on the horn. I know I wouldn't sell my Grande 3 Valve Contra for less than 2500. But it's NOT 4 sale! That's the round about price for horns that are complete, playable, and in good to exellent cosmetic shape. With a useable mouthpiece and most of a case.. You know what I mean! If its a little nicer they may bring a few extra bucks. I'm being pretty general.

I'm just happy that my efforts are going towards a good cause.

I think you should wait until your dad's USA horn buyer finds a nice Kanstul 3 Valve for you. One of them would go great with the two 3 Valve Contra's you guys will be showing this summer!

I didn't ask them about that! Darn it! But the estimate for a K-90 is about 700 dollars, Plus Shipping and they estimated a month in shop time to complete. About 400 less than the what Kanstul charges for their conversion. And the kanstul price I got 3 years ago.