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Here are a couple of non-finalist shows which are really fun watches...
Spirit
Troopers
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Did you tie up your phone line in early July waiting in endless online queues to download audio recordings of early-season shows (at 56.6 kps) on this thing called Napster? After all, the mid-season CDs wouldn't be out until East...
Did you argue on RAMD about banana weapons, and George Hopkins's idea that DCI should eschew rifles because they were redolent of violence?
Were you hyped for (and disappointed by) the 'judge-cam' for the percussion field judge?
If so, you may have been a DCI fan in 2001!
The one thing we knew going in is that there would be no ties for first. Fearing a disgruntled fan base, DCI decided that GE would be the tiebreaker (I think?) in case of a first-place tie. I don't know what would have happened had the corps tied in GE. It's possible that I'm wrong.
I saw three shows this year, all at Franklin Field in Philadelphia. At the early-season show, Cavaliers placed second to Blue Devils, but I had this feeling it wasn't going to be that way when finals rolled around. Sure enough, the Cavaliers 'cornered the market' on the high DCI ranking come Buffalo time. J. Birney Crum stadium was undergoing an extensive renovation, so Philadelphia was also the site of DCI East. Loved all the offerings. Phantom and Festive Overture hit me where I live. Vanguard brought us into a 'New Era.' Crossmen! 'Late Night Jazz' was cookin'! How about that Cadets drumline and the flugel soloist for Glassmen? Boston with John Adams and 'Gabriel's Oboe.' Carolina Crown rolled tires on the field. And more!
Did you leave Buffalo (or turn off the PBS broadcast) satisfied, ready for a fall of band and football, looking forward to November auditions, with no idea of what was about to happen in our country and the world?
If so, you were a DCI fan in 2001.
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2 hours ago, jwillis35 said:
Sadly I only saw one show in 1983. I spent the summer at the Chautauqua Institute (upstate NY) playing trombone in the youth orchestra for the summer. My only show was in the Dayton, OH area in early June. Pretty sure we saw Madison and Spirit of Atlanta but forget the others. Will have to check. I had seen Garfield in 1982 at Finals so I was not surprised to hear that they were in the hunt for the title from friends back home. But as was the case back in those days, keeping up-to-date with DCI and scores was not so easy. Unless you saw a show live or had a chance to get DCW news at shows where it was sold you were usually out of the loop.
My son played cello for the CYO in 2019. He was sorry to miss out on DCI, but had a great summer.
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Of course, the biggest deal of the season was the migration of the DCI World Championship trophy to the East. The Garfield Cadets, powered by George Zingali's path-breaking drill, jumped from 3rd at Semis to 1st at finals. Perhaps the greater miracle is they did it in the last year of the tick system.
I think I heard a story that Boston Crusaders mixed it up with some Miami toughs before/after prelims?
If you were there in 1983, or know someone who was there, please share. If not, listen, watch, and learn, as I will be doing!
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1 hour ago, Continental said:
Was '84 the last year that Cadets marched left foot forward?
That's what I heard.
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33 minutes ago, N.E. Brigand said:
For ease of reference, here's the list (source: From the Pressbox) of all 12th and 13th place corps in the show immediately preceding Finals:
1972 -- Bridgemen 12th 78.55 -- Garfield Cadets 13th 78.45
1973 -- Belleville Black Knights 12th 76.55 -- DeLaSalle Oaklands 13th 75.55
1974 -- Blue Stars 12th 79.40 ... Falcon Cadets 13th 76.95
1975 -- Troopers 12th 79.60 -- Squires 13th 79.45
1976 -- Seneca Optimists 12th 83.50 -- Troopers 13th 82.75
1977 -- Garfield Cadets & Kilties 12th (tie) 84.45 -- Anaheim Kingsmen 14th 83.60 *
1978 -- Kilties 12th 79.95 -- Freelancers 13th 79.20
1979 -- Troopers 12th 81.90 -- Crossmen 13th 81.70
1980 -- North Star 12th 79.35 -- Troopers 13th 77.05
1981 -- Freelancers 12th 80.05 -- North Star 13th 79.85
1982 -- Cavaliers 12th 83.10 -- Suncoast Sound 13th 81.10
1983 -- Sky Ryders 12th 78.70 -- Crossmen 13th 78.60
1984 -- Velvet Knights 12th 85.90 -- Troopers 13th 85.20
1985 -- Freelancers 12th 85.90 -- 27th Lancers 13th 85.20
1986 -- Troopers 12th 85.90 -- 27th Lancers 13th 85.60
1987 -- Sky Ryders 12th 85.30 -- Florida Wave 13th 84.70
1988 -- Sky Ryders 12th 86.60 -- Dutch Boy 13th 86.40
1989 -- Crossmen 12th 85.80 -- Dutch Boy 13th 85.50
1990 -- Dutch Boy 12th 86.30 -- Blue Knights 13th 85.40
1991 -- Sky Ryders 12th 85.10 -- Dutch Boy 13th 84.60
1992 -- Freelancers 12th 84.00 -- Glassmen 13th 83.90
1993 -- Colts 12th 84.20 -- Velvet Knights 13th 83.10
1994 -- Colts 12th 83.00 -- Boston Crusaders 13th 82.60
1995 -- Magic of Orlando 12th 81.90 -- Blue Knights 13th 81.30
1996 -- Blue Knights 12th 84.60 -- Glassmen 13th 82.70
1997 -- Carolina Crown 12th 85.90 -- Colts 13th 84.10
1998 -- Carolina Crown 12th 86.90 -- Magic of Orlando 13th 85.00
1999 -- Colts 12th 85.20 -- Bluecoats 13th 83.00
2000 -- Bluecoats 12th 85.15 -- Southwind 13th 84.95
2001 -- Colts 12th 85.95 -- Spirit 13th 84.05
2002 -- Seattle Cascades 12th 85.95 -- Blue Knights 13th 85.50
2003 -- Spirit 12th 85.50 -- Blue Knights 13th 85.35
2004 -- Glassmen 12th 86.375 -- Spirit 13th 86.300
2005 -- Spirit 12th 85.757 -- Colts 13th 84.075
2006 -- Spirit 12th 85.275 -- Colts 13th 83.050
2007 -- Spirit 12th 85.500 -- Academy 13th 84.500
2008 -- Madison Scouts 12th 86.375 -- Crossmen 13th 85.950
2009 -- Troopers 12th 85.90 -- Colts 13th 85.60
2010 -- Glassmen 12th 86.50 -- Colts 13th 86.45
2011 -- Spirit of Atlanta 12th 86.55 -- Glassmen 13th 83.40
2012 -- Crossmen 12th 84.90 -- Blue Stars 13th 84.60
2013 -- Blue Stars 12th 86.20 -- Troopers 13th 86.05
2014 -- Crossmen 12th 85.45 -- Colts 13th 85.35
2015 -- Crossmen 12th 83.875 -- Troopers 13th 83.800
2016 -- Boston Crusaders 12th 85.525 -- Madison Scouts 13th 85.263
2017 -- Madison Scouts 12th 86.475 -- Mandarins 13th 85.550
2018 -- Crossmen 12th 87.2500 -- Spirit of Atlanta 13th 85.5875
2019 -- Phantom Regiment 12th 87.775 -- Spirit of Atlanta 13th 85.587
*Bridgemen placed 3rd in Prelims in 1977, were disqualified because it was found they had marched underage members, got a court injunction allowing them to compete in Finals (where they placed 4th), and then lost their case in binding arbitration, where their disqualification was upheld. Additionally, two corps tied for 12th in Prelims, so there were 13 corps in Finals.
Looking back at the earliest years, it's fascinating to see that junior corps continued to compete in other shows well after DCI championships: not only at the American Legion and/or VFW, but other shows even into September. And some of them had shows as early as mid-May.
Corrections welcome.
Remembering that both 2014 and 2015 Crossmen had timing penalties at Semis because they had major technical issues delaying both semis shows. Without the penalties the scores would have been:
2014 - Crossmen 12th 86.45 -- Colts 13th 85.35
2015 -- Crossmen 12th 85.275 -- Troopers 13th 83.800 (Xmen would have tied for eleventh without the penalty).
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13 hours ago, DrumCorpsRadio said:
July 21, 2002, 9:51pm CT - Tour Day 59
San Antonio, TX → Wichita Falls, TX
Today was our one completely free day of the summer. We got up and did laundry. Then we went to San Antonio’s Riverwalk from 2-6pm. I hung out with Curt (trumpet), Courtney (baritone), and Steve (baritone and seat partner). We headed straight for Steers and Beers. I had a great meal, although I probably spent too much money. I had the surf and turf, which was an 8oz filet mignon wrapped in bacon, three large shrimp, a baked potato, and these different carrots in some kind of honey sauce. I topped it all off with a (detail removed to protect the guilty). It set me back $35, but I think it was worth it. After we ate, we spent some time in the mall and then headed to the Alamo. I learned a bit about the battle for future use (I was studying to become a history teacher) and was glad to gain some historical knowledge this summer. It was a much needed free day, but it would have been even better had it been a few hours longer.
San Antonio, TX
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The Cavaliers - 92.45 - All captions
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The Cadets - 90.5
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Blue Devils - 90.35
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Santa Clara Vanguard - 89.3
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Glassmen - 86.15
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Phantom Regiment - 85.8
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Boston Crusaders - 84.55
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Bluecoats - 84.2
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Crossmen - 83.8
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Seattle Cascades - 79.95
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Spirit of Atlanta - 79.95
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Blue Knights - 78.5
(Next post is July 22.)Maybe if you hadn't been gorging and drinking you would have scored higher 😉🍺🍤🥓🥩
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1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said:
I agree in Southwind. Who didn't belong IMO was Madison.
and IMO Bostons battery was hidden by design
I just listened today to Bluecoats. Do you know who wrote their drumline? Obviously it wasn't Thurston but I feel like it's a Thurston-inspired vibe. Then again, it was jazz(y)...
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The Blue Devils and The Cadets introduce any-key brass hornlines. The rest of the DCI world will follow suit soon after.
With Niagara Falls, The Cavaliers break new ground on a design philosophy which will win them five championships in seven years. They tie with Cadets, whose visual and musical pyrotechnics are stunning. Nevertheless, ironically, it is The Cavaliers who 'are the future.'
Methods of Madness is one of my favorite Blue Devils shows. Bernard Herrman and (mostly) Hitchcock. Evocative, mysterious, and thrilling.
Santa Clara and the Age of Reverence. Barber's Adagio for (still G bugle) drum corps. Listen to that baritone line. Utterly spellbinding.
After oh so many years out of the conversation, Boston Crusaders opens the broadcast on Saturday night. 'Red' captures the D.C. audience.
Close behind them are the Blue Knights, a strong corps in this era.
Phantom goes beige and modern. Still solid, but the beginning of their rise to the top is a few years off.
Glassmen come home to America and Gershwin.
Crossmen are clubbin', and Birdland is back again.
Madison still with great performers, but design-wise can't make the turn into the new millennium.
Crown and Bluecoats make Saturday night with modern show themes.
Southwind comes oh so close to making finals; Pioneer places sixteenth (their highest?) and Vanguard Cadets puts two corps from the same organization (YEA! doesn't count) into semifinals.
There's more to talk about I'm sure. But that's your job. Ladies and gentlemen, 2000!!!
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Here's an interesting video. I doubt many of us have almost 90 minutes to spend on this, but it might be fun to bounce around to a few spots.
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@MikeN, what did you think of the 1999 Cadets of Bergen County?
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5 hours ago, 84BDsop said:
Similar story to how the backfield sop "One More Time" quote got into the end of "Latin Implosion."
It was a regular weekend rehearsal...brass line was working on LI and we came up to the soft ending. I think the descending contra line at the end (played by the late Gary Brattin at finals, but all 8 contras got a chance to play it during various shows) was already written in.We're holding the chord, and then Steve "Stymie" Leanene (he of "The Look" at the end of "La Fiesta") bust out the OMT quote.
Wayne looks at Stymie...pauses, then says "Yeah....let's keep that."
It was that moment, more than any other, that confirmed the kind of group I was in....where a suggestion from outside the instructional staff may not be immediately slapped down, but legitimately considerd, and even adopted.
It happened to me earlier, in a story I'll tell in a separate post, but this brought it home.
As I mentioned in the OP, that may be my fave moment of the show.
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10 hours ago, Brian Tuma said:
I got more of a Foster Brooks vibe than Stuart Smalley or Fred Rogers
I'm the ex-execu-essecutive di-BBBRACK-tor (pause) of the Ss-Santa Ccccccla-RAH V-vanguard.
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9 hours ago, 84BDsop said:
I think Bloo was coming off an inactive year then.
Funny thing about "nuclear holocaust," That actually WAS a volume instruction we got...one time,
Warmup on finals night. We're over in front of the basketball arena. Go through the entire exercise routine, and then Wayne has us play a block chord as soft as we can...then a stepping up the volume with each repeat. ppp, pp, p, mf, f, ff, fff...
And then it goes:
747! (effing loud)
Earthquake! (REAL effing loud)
Then Wayne looks over to the tennis courts and sees Cadets' battery warming up
NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST!!
I can honestly say i have NEVER played a louder note....with no distortion...than I did at that moment.
Cadet cymbal, Dave Fowler, told me years later we actually scared his battery!
MWUUHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
In my corps the horn arc volume levels were p, mp, mf, f, ff, fff, 'Green Light' (loudest with good tone quality and intonation) and 'IT' (loudest possible, designed to stretch our Green Light capabilities.)
Was always a rush to play 'IT.'
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On 7/15/2020 at 1:25 AM, N.E. Brigand said:
Huh... a false memory. I felt sure I had seen Madison that year, but they weren't at Canton, which is the only show I attended. Must be conflating them with the previous year.
Speaking of false memories, a few years ago, I discovered that I share a false memory with lots of other people about the last scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark. A number of people who saw the film when it came out in 1981, like me, remember an ending that doesn't exist.
What ending do you remember?
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Holy mackerel (H/T Steve Rondinaro), I just watched Spirit of Atlanta. What a great show with some smokin' soloists. That mellophone solo in 'I Loves You, Porgy' is right up there with Barbara Maroney, IMO.
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Finally, the one @84BDsop has been waiting for...
Atlanta, Georgia. Grant Field on the campus of Georgia Tech University.
I bought BD's and Garfield's 80s CDs while I was on tour in 92. So I am most familiar with those shows.
Barbara Maroney plays two of the most iconic solos in DCI history. The incredible Zingali drill and an in-tune, balanced and incredibly powerful hornline power Garfield to a one-tenth victory, as some remember all too well...
Blue Devils. Utterly amazing. I love La Fiesta, but it is the ending to 'Latin Implosion' which gets me every time - the open voicing, the soprano solo and contra descending scale... Mysterious and epic.
Then there's SCV with the ground-breaking Hardimon percussion feature and the Ott-winning hornline.
Spirit of Atlanta playing Porgy and Bess. Suncoast Sound remembering Vietnam.
And many more memories, which can be told best by the people who were there.
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1 hour ago, keystone3ply said:
VooDoo & witchcraft.
You're saying the Devils were behind it?
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7 hours ago, DrumCorpsRadio said:
July 14, 2002, 9:58pm ET - Tour Day 52
Cincinnati, OH → Alton, IL
We lost to Boston for the first time last night at the Fairfield, Ohio show. Granted it was only by .05 points, but it was a loss nonetheless. We’re not overly concerned as we still have plenty of room to grow as a corps. We had an excellent (grueling) rehearsal day today where we worked solely on the end of the show. It was rough but needed. I’m looking forward to this next leg of tour as we head to places I’ve never been to. We also get to see corps that we’ve yet to see as we join up with the corps that just finished the DCM tour. I’ll see Mike with the Madison Scouts in two days in Oklahoma. He was a fellow soprano player in the Caballeros. I’m going to enjoy a movie for a little while before getting some bus sleep.
Fairfield
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The Cadets - 88.25 - All captions
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Boston Crusaders - 83.05
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Crossmen - 83.00
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Spirit of Atlanta - 76.75
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Carolina Crown - 76.1
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Magic of Orlando - 82.4
(Next post is July 17.)
No shame in that. 'You Are My Star' was a great show.
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From the 'It's not too dark to do another run' department -
Lights go out around 6:25 of the video
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The Blue Devils and the Vanguard tied at finals, to a chorus of 'ESS-CEE-VEE! ESS-CEE-VEE!' Cavaliers innovated, classically, Cadets took us to New York, and Glassmen were still in gold. Madison were hometown superstars. Blue Knights played Trittico, Phantom Tschaikovsky. Boston joined us for finals and they haven't left. Crossmen were clubbing, Crown was a split personality and Colts were vocal about being in finals.
This was the year the live broadcast came back to PBS, to be with us for a few years. And of course, it was the last year of only G bugles, although to be completely honest, it was the move to three-valves that pretty much changed the soundscape - fight me.
I saw no live shows in 1999. My son was born in February and I was doing Clinical Pastoral Education during the summer, which was punctuated by a couple of deaths in the family.
DCP is proud to present, 1999!
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On 6/27/2020 at 3:15 PM, DrumCorpsRadio said:
June 27, 2002, 12:09am ET - Tour Day 35
Herndon, VA → Pennsville, NJ
First of all, the results from the 6/25 show in Winston-Salem:
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The Cadets - 80.60 - Music, General Effect, Visual (tie)
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Blue Devils - 78.75 - Visual (tie)
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Crossmen - 76.20
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Spirit of Atlanta - 68.25
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Carolina Crown - 67.85
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Kiwanis Kavaliers - 58.45
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Magic of Orlando - 76.90
It’s hard to believe that we’re only 2 ½ points behind the Blue Devils. We’re off to an extraordinary start and we’re still very dirty. If you compare scores from other shows, we’re actually 4th in the country right ahead of Santa Clara. Ironic, eh?
Tonight we had a show in Herndon, Virginia. It rained a few hours before the show started so the show wasn’t our greatest because the field wasn’t in great shape. The yard lines and hashes were pretty much invisible too, but we did the best we could and our score still managed to improve.
Tomorrow we have a show in Lansdale, Pennsylvania and Saturday is Clifton, New Jersey. I’m looking forward to performing for people I know.
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The Cadets - 81.50 - all captions
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Crossmen - 77.40
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Carolina Crown - 70.65
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Spirit of Atlanta - 69.30
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Kiwanis Kavaliers - 59.65
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Magic of Orlando - 77.60
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Lehigh Valley Knights - 55.45
(Next post is June 29.)
From my show review:
'CROSSMEN: Watch out Phantom and Glassmen. This show is much more demanding visually and musically wise than last year's seventh place offering, and it's also better executed. The key will be this: can the Crossmen get the opener, "Heat of the Day," to groove effortlessly and consistently by finals week? If so, then look for them possibly to debut the TV broadcast. Of course, I haven't seen either Phantom or Glassmen, but Crossmen look great and deserve the scores they're getting. Some phasing problems tonight in "Heat of the Day:" again, this will be key. Bones are marching what I believe is the only flugelhorn section in DCI this year: five horns which have some very tasty but extremely exposed parts, including the opening soli in both the opener and the ballad. They were a little bit tentative tonight: they need to be spit-clean. The program as a whole is enormously satisfying. The horn line packs a wallop - those who say they cover the drums too much at times are right I believe. The guard is very aggressive and use these great ten-foot poles in the balllad: when they spin them at the push, the reflections from the lights make this wonderful effect. Strawberry Soup works. Ten years after I marched, my heart still goes faster when they take the field; and it's especially great to see them doing so well this year and over the past few. Second Div. I: 77.40'
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On 7/5/2020 at 7:21 PM, TRacer said:
I marched that show...I was the Last Man headed for the tunnel (you can even see the recording device I wore for a split second) and in the field closeup of the two baritone players during the push in Tenderland; I’m the skinny lead bari in glasses on the left and Vince Noble (RIP) who taught Cavies & SOA for many years is the euph on the right. Both of us aged out that night.
Angelica was in the judges box on Finals night as a “guest” but not on the slate, and was “quite vocal” during our run per a stunned SCV staffperson in the back who witnessed it. Brandt announced the High CG Award winner wrong, which added insult to injury. GH had already let his kids know “great job but roses go to SCV”; I was on the very left edge of the retreat block when we turned to it play to GC a few feet away and many of them couldn’t look at us.
Gail took the loss very hard, so much so he had infamous “red circle slash 85” T-shirts printed up the next summer.
Fast forward to Denver Finals 2004...I was walking to the souvie area while wearing my jacket when a guy wearing a Boston jacket stopped me when he saw the Madison Finals patch on my sleeve. He first asked to shake my hand, then he unexpectedly hugged me. He said “those four words” in his Bahston accent, smiled and walked away. That was huge.
You don't happen to have the tape from the recording device you wore, do you? 🙂
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The 2001 Thread
in DCI World Class Corps Discussions
Posted
My review of the June 30, 2001 show at Franklin Field in Philly, from RAMD:
To business:
Jersey Surf - 8th - 56.2. Strengths: a good soprano soloist, good staging of a proficient color guard and nice choices of music. I've been waiting to hear "(It's Just) Talk" put on the field. Weaknesses: hornline is moving fast and it's impacting their playing negatively. But it's early. Drill is not written for the closer.
Crowd was favorably disposed - a lot of parents and friends.
Spirit of JSU - 7th - 65.5. Strengths: intriguing show theme with a variety of textures and some great impact points. It's a well-conceived, well thought out program which involves the crowd. Weaknesses: It's dirty. Crowd responded well to the program, as noted above. If they can clean, they will catch Crown.
Carolina Crown - 6th - 65.65. Strengths: interesting and well-done use of tires (yes, tires) in the middle number on the rubber industry. Cleaner than Spirit. Weaknesses: the guard uni's and equipment for the opener are the same color. I lost the equipment in the uniforms. There are huge pieces of metal to the right of the pit for little good reason. The music is forgettable, the visual program unremarkable. Crowd response sluggish.
Boston Crusaders - 4th - 72.90. Strengths: geometric visual program and an athletic, aggressive still all-female guard. They were throwing things the whole night. Solid drumline. Ballad is nice. A show of modern music that appeals to the crowd through visuals, numerous references to "Conquest," and simply projection of attitude. Body sculpting done well. Weaknesses: Brass will keep them in the middle of the pack. I really, really enjoyed this program, though. They had fans in the crowd who were not dissapointed.
(break)
Blue Devils - 1st - 81.65. Strengths: too numerous to mention. An especially beautiful ballad accentuated by the visuals. Weaknesses: I don't like the striped guard uniforms. BD's approach to costuming their guard seems to be to make them all unique. To me this makes it hard for me to see them as a unit from high up. Although I love BD, this show I did not like. They did not reach me emotionally from the field. They stayed on the field, I stayed in the stands.
Cadets - 3rd - 78.85. Strengths: Moondance, which I love, and which I was whistling on the way home. I especially like the backfield part (don't change a thing, George!) and the transition into the ballad from "Hannibal." All captions, as per usual, are excellent. Weaknesses: This program is uninteresting visually. In order to make a piece like "Farandole" work, there has to be something extra - the visuals have to build the piece as much as the music. That is not happening right now. This show will peak at third place, if that.
Cavaliers - 2nd - 79.65. Strengths: The Four Corners theme imbues even the most innocent drill move with instant meaning. The percussion feature is understatement which amazes. Who said you had to play five billion decibels to be exciting and enthralling? The Cavies' backfield playing is second to none. Great allusion to "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" near the end of the show. The guard have two features in the show which would have had the crowd screaming had they been perfect. As it was, there were gasps and dissapointment when it didn't work. Weaknesses: Maybe brass, plus there's some cleaning. And the end will be rewritten, bet on it. In case you haven't guesses, they are my pick to win it all, unless Santa Clara has the show of the universe. Cavies over BD at Semis and Finals.
Crossmen - 5th - 70.65. Strengths: EXCITING and appealing musical program. Excellent colorguard. Brass and especially soloists are picking up the pace. Visual staging of the colorguard is excellent. Feet seem to be moving better and corps as a whole seems much more at ease with themselves visually (Go Gary!) Weaknesses: the visual of the corps proper is once again unremarkable, although executed better than in previous years. The transition into the conclusion of the show, although tasty for the baritones, otherwise makes little sense. The home crowd fueled them, although with the way they're going, they will have a home crowd at Buffalo. They will place ninth and have the crowd eating out of their hands.
My captions:
Best overall show - Cavaliers
Best soloists - Crossmen (sorry BD)
Most attitude - Tie (BAC and Crossmen)
Most room for growth - BAC and Jersey Surf
Best crowd response - Crossmen (home show)
Best use of tires - Carolina Crown
Best drums - Blue Devils
Most notes played - Cadets
Most trap sets - Cadets again
Best body sculpting - BAC
A bit of advice: When you go to DCI East, get there early. Park. Watch the clinic, if there is one. Then walk up Spruce Street. Cross the U. of Penn campus to your right, wandering around ivy covered buildings and leafy, shaded pathways. Come to Walnut Street and turn left. Find a place to eat - for an inexpensive meal I recommend "The Fresh Grocer" at 40th and Walnut. A bit of everything - sandwiches, pizza, entrees, etc.
Chip Frontz
Crossmen 1992