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A lot of the folks on this discussion forum have been around the Drum Corps community since the 70's, and even a few from the 60's. As I was sitting at work and reading through a few threads on another Drum Corps related forum, I began to wonder what it was like for Drum Corps in the early and late 70's, during the two Energy/Oil Crises. I don't know how extensive tours were back then, especially for the bigger Corps (ex.: Blue Devils, SCV). So herein lies the question: What was the impact of yesteryear's oil crisis on Drum Corps? I do know that the crises in the 70's were quiet bad, with a national rationing rule being instilled upon the entire country, and many stations unable to stay open because there was no gas to pump. Luckily, we have no yet reached that point, but with the discovery that Oil hit 108 dollars a barrel today, it seems as though we're getting quite close. This has to do a lot with Drum Corps today. With bigger, longer tours, more time spent on the road, more energy/gas being used, and the rising price of said oil and food/other commodities, I think it'd be nice if some of the older members here (And any younger folk with a decent knowledge of history in the 70's) would explain some of the details as to what went on, what changed for them personally during that time, and what had to be done under these dire circumstances. Thank you.

With "The Hollands" still in command? PFFT. not likely. More like 24. Trinity - The Seguin Corps fields it's first Div. I Corps . . . and after four weeks of all-days, folds four days into tour. again. :sshh: (Anyway) All of the Corps from California will be forced to have "Of Arizona Bay" in their names by 2017, due to the sinking of the state of California, thanks to Los Angeles. (Bill Hicks, anybody?) The Blue Devils of Arizona Bay The Santa Clara Vanguard of Arizona Bay The Esperanza of Arizona Bay (Paradox Drum & Bugle Corps, out of Miami, FL, will take Finals for Div. I. :P )

As an aside: Kiwanis is still in operation and waiting for DCI to give the okay. They're holding a Camp this month and are currently planning on locations, times, etc. www.kiwaniskavaliers.org Anyway. Sweet project you're doing. Keep it up.

You heard? . . . Were you there? Also, and I'll repeat this after Sarah stated it, considering all the crap we had to go through just to keep this camp going rather than letting down the kids who want to march (And I know for a fact already that a lot of kids didn't know about the sudden change in plans, since they've contacted me, asking what happened), I'm surprised we had the number of people who came out, and many of them from upstate! I had a full house, in fact. The staff, and I know this for a fact, is working on getting every single kid who sent an application informed, and to come to the next audition camp, which is sometime in early-to-mid January . . . Or late January. I forget. Stop listening to what you hear, no matter from where it's from. Unless you're experiencing this with your own two eyes, I would suggest you please stop.

Although I don't like speaking up, I feel like it's something that needs to be said before more rumors/accusations begin to pop up. The original school that we were supposed to be at, for some reason or another (Remember, this just all I know), told us yesterday that they had some sort of function or something going on during the weekend, and that we couldn't use the school. This was something we just couldn't foresee. It came out of nowhere, and the staff had to scramble to find another place. Luckily, we were able to find a couple of places, but like all of you, I don't know how the schedule is going to work, or whether the kids will be housed in one location (I'm already housing around 8 people for friday night, and I might have to house more. A lot of the other prospective members [yeah, the kids who havn't even tried out yet] are helping out by opening their houses to kids coming down), but we'll find out tommorow. It's a low-blow, that's for sure, but for those of you who like to throw blame, please don't. This is seriously something that just came out of the blue. I'm as ###### off about it as anyone . . . I always hated the people who went to that school, and I just got a real reason to keep that hatred. haha. And, just as an aside from me: If you know anybody who's trying out, or you're trying out, and they/you get discouraged because of this . . . Please don't. And please don't let them get discouraged. Remember, the past few months have been extremely rough, so give these guys some credit for progressing so quickly in such a short amount of time. They're doing the best they can to keep this Corps alive and running. Come to the camp. Keep yourself updated on the website, and if you're coming down or just want to show support, join the messageboard (which is currently having problems of its own.). Hope to see you all tommorow (or today for some). And keep up the support. The last thing we need is a group of people bagging down on the organization like the last few months. "We Are One"

If it's not one, it's the other. Oh, you guys. :) Anyway. I know Sarah meant that in a humorous way. So please don't take it beyond that. Don't know why everyone is so easily ticked at little things like that. Anyway. Hope to see some of you at the Camp.

Message board is up, for those of you wondering. www.kiwaniskavaliers.org

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(From the article) Coming very soon: Camp Schedule Parent\Guardian Guide Camp Menu Member Handbook Staff Announcements Ride Board\Kavaliers Forum

www.kiwaniskavaliers.org :) Enjoy.

That actually depends. Some Corps (Not pointing fingers at anyone specific. And this does not include the ENTIRE Corps. Sometimes just staff, older members, etc.) actually teach their kids to look down on other, lower tier/division Corps. In essence, this is why a lot of Div. II and III Corps (And lower tier Div. I Corps [i.e. Kiwanis -- they only had 12-13 horns at the beginning of the summer in 06, despite efforts to recruit]) struggle to get their members in time. I see it all the time. I've had friends (From everywhere. Again, not pointing fingers at anyone or any organization) actually tell me "Don't go to Div. II, it sucks./It's a waste/They're like high schools with no flutes/They barely tour" when I was younger and uneducated. Luckily, I got to spend time marching with a Div. III Corps and got rid of the lies told to me.

Yeah. About that . . . No. I understand there are politics in DCI, especially in the scoring of upper tier Corps, but to say you got cheated . . . I disagree. And I can find points from your show that would say you never got cheated. Yeah, you guys definately put in the effort, just like everyone else, but . . . someone's gotta get last place. Or 2nd to last place. I loved Pio's show. I've watched it a bunch of times. But again, there are things that go on during shows which doesn't let it get higher scores. And, last I heard, Div. II and Div. III were scored on the same sheets? Am I missing something? I remember when I was with a Div. III Corps, being scored in the same way as a Div. I Corps. and what about the Orlando show in 05? Teal Sound getting a 55.something, and beating out Kiwanis. A Div. II Corps beating a Div. I Corps. And who says a Div. II show isn't as demanding as a Div. I Corps? It all depends on what the show calls for drill-wise and music-wise. I know of many Div. II Corps and Div. III Corps that could take a Div. I brassline or hornline any day. Also, didn't Academy score a 96 or 95 in 2006? Cavies scored a 97.2. Yeah.

Hey, so yeah, how about it? Kiwanis coming back and all? Yeah . . . That . . . Uhh . . . Yeah, there it is. A word of advice: Keep it in PM's. I don't understand the logic behind all the negative (And I guess those posters would use the word "brutally honest" rather than negative, but I, and a few other people who don't post on here, see this as negative.) posts on here, and therefore I would suggest it be kept to PM's. Or better yet, take it up with the people at Kiwanis themselves in a private meeting, either by phone, e-mail, videomail/phone, written letters, teleportation device, what-have-you. It doesn't make sense to me for anyone here to outright bash eachother, whether they're supportive or against KK (Or any of the organizations happenings). Actually, in my opinion (And I'm sure many people share this opinion, seeing as how there are people who, albeit turn out to be hypocritical on this, tell me this ALL OF THE TIME when it comes to Drum Corps and posting on these boards) it makes you all seem like rabbling five years olds . . . immature, if you will. So, if you can kindly take this mud-slinging contest out of here and elsewhere, where you can resolve it like mature men and women, please do so. In the mean time, I'm going to keep posting the updates and news coming out of Kiwanis for all of those still interested in wondering what is REALLY going on with this Corps that all of a sudden has so much support along with hatred from all sorts of people (Not neccesarily those on this board). Thanks, and please drive along. P.S. Duder, I appreciate the attempt to hurt my feelings (Need a reminder? Here: /sarcasm And Font, glad to see after a season at Trinity you're back and have apparently been appointed a staff member of the new KK. Thats pretty amazing. Congratulations! /sarcasm) but it didn't work. I lost a whole lot of respect for you (And you don't know how much I truly had for you, even though we've never met. Out of everyone, I was hoping to meet you the most at those camps.). I'm surprised, you of all people, would put me down for trying to support my Corps and bring it back from a near death experience. I'm doing it not as a favor to anyone, or to #### people off, but to finally do what I love most and do best: MARCH A FREAKING DRUM CORPS FOR A FULL SEASON, especially with one with so many cool people [And that's the truth]. So please, stop. And a reminder for everyone: Brass audition music is up. Check that out. Staff names will be added by the end of this week, or early next week. Our first camp is still December 1st through the 3rd. And, Kiwanis will be at the next DCI Board Meeting. Have a nice day.

Audition music for all sections of the hornline are available on: www.kiwaniskavaliers.org It is the newest bulletin in the menu on the far right hand side. I would also like to personally thank everyone at the Flanagan Falcon Sound Invitational. Our first recruiting event of the season was a great success thanks to ALL involved. Special thanks to Debbie Schmidt, event coordinator, and Stephen Rivero , Director of Bands Please come and see the Kiwanis Kavaliers recruiting team at the Bands of America Regional Competition in St. Petersburg, Florida on Saturday, October 14th. Have you heard? We're Back.

Yeah, check it out. :D There's also more news on my thread. Search for "Kiwanis Kavaliers" on DCP.