90'sMelloguy

Check out the spread in Brass!

They did go on after the cavies this evening but that is not a hinderance. Going on early is really hard on your scores so the later you can go on the better. Cascades dropped tonight becuase they were WAY overscored last night. They deserve to be right where they are.

Prepare to be shocked then...Troop wins tonight for sure Scades visual book is so dirty and their brass line sounds really rough. It was hard to tell what they were playing half the time

The placement of the brass line is not what concerned me nearly as much as the sound of the brass line. I am ok with BD finishing 4th behind the brass lines that beat them this year because those brass lines were amazing. What did concern me was the sounds that were jumping off of the field at times. Just the intonation problems alone were enough cause for concern IMO. As far as the question about BD being held to a higher standard I think it goes both ways. There are times when I feel that people expect way too much out of BD becuase they compare them to the excellence of years past. This is obviously not fair to BD, but at the same time I do feel like they get a free pass sometimes as well. So, I believe thier past dominance in brass can serve as a double edged sword when it comes to how they are judged and percieved.

Well Wayne was the caption head before that. john was not named caption till last year. When Gino was there he was the main brass tech when wayne was gone (which was often). Gino had a way to make the horn line play like no other.

Yeah I was around in 98 and the brass line was definately down that year, BUT BD still won brass. I have even heard people list 98 as their favorite brass line of all time. While 98 did not have the talent that 97 did they still sounded great by the end. This year is a different story. I do think that the visual demands may have accounted for some of it, but there were times when they were not flying all over the field that they sounded a bit rough. I guess what I am getting around to is they changed brass caption heads last year and since that change they have finished 4th both years.....Is this a coincidence?

I guess the scoring is a little bit different, but I still dont think that was the reason they sounded the way that they did. I mainly just hear a lot of intonation problems. It sounds a bit like they were overplaying (hence the intonation issues).

Yeah I mentioned this a couple of days ago on a thread about the ballad. I thought it was from the episode "25" though. I guess I was one episode off...oh well I thought it was perfect for the episode with the bartletts standing in front of the window in the residence and people holding candlelight vigils for zoey. That scene would not have worked nearly as well if it was not for that song. I am too much of a West Wing nerd

really? I dont hear a difference in the wind scoring in comparison to years past....but even if there is I dont think it should matter. Good brass playing and good pedagogy should transcend a book that is scored in the lower register

Why would you doubt that staff changes may be made? Saying that Wayne would not be happy finishing fourth in brass 2 years in a row would be a huge understatement.

very well said Stef

Dude I have been defending the cadets/amps/vocals quite a bit on this forum but I must say that you are losing credibilty very fast.

Neither can I....but I also cant imagine Cavies, PR, Bluecoats slipping either. Also, I would not ever count out the Cadets for top 3 in brass (especially with Gino at the helm). 07 should interesting....

I would not have put them in the top 3 in brass but I was also not downstairs (or even at the show for that matter) but I would definately agree with you in the fact that the competition was great this year. I think that evening out of the talent pool may be part of the reason that other corps have caught up to BD in brass in the last few years.

interesting point

I just got done watching the ESPN broadcast (thank god for Tivo) and the most surprising thing to me was BD's brass line. I knew that they got fourth in brass but I was still really surprised at how they sounded at times during their performance. Now I know that the talent of the performers is as good or better than any other corps out there (including past BD hornlines), but the level of execution that you usually see from them simply was not there. Missed releases, poor attacks, and some moments that were painfully out of tune have not been trademarks of a BD Hornline. So, my questions are: 1. Did anyone else here on DCP hear what I was hearing? 2. If so, what are your opinions as to why this was the case? 3. After finishing 4th in brass in back-to-back seasons is there any cause for concern? (i.e will there be some staff changes made)

We used to call it " The Wubbie" (as in security blanket) We refered to the red/pink jam block as the "Pink Pacifier"

The term "Dr. Beat" in relation to drum corps refers to any metronome that is hooked up to a loud speaker

I dont think credibility has anything to do with the number of shows one attends.

Really? I work for over a dozen bands around the country and I have never heard this sentiment. That is over a thousand kids from all around the US and none of them have ever suggested that cadets were a joke. To be honest with you I have seen more cadets merchandise being worn by these kids than any other corps in dci. I never marched cadets and I dont usually like their shows as much as other corps but I would not ever consider them a joke. I apprecate what they do bescause it IS different.

This is so true and there are so many people that are in drum corps or fans of drum corps that really need to realize this.

ahhh ok

Very true. I have been saying on these boards that Madison will be fine and I truely believe it. IMO the only thing that could really get them in trouble is major financial woes....which they appear to have none

I dont remember what year Scotty J. went to SCV (you are probably right) but that was not the reason for the strife. Tom Float (battery) & Catherine Float (pit) were the percsussion captions at BD up untill 91.

can you tell me where to get one of those!!!!