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I wasn't referring to audience approval or not, since it wasn't well recieved. I didn't care very much for the show either. The Cadets messed with staging. Narration and Singing have already been done before. Their method of staging that was rearranged, now that has never been seen before. The show was based on not just multiple staging focii, but multiple staging focii simultaneously occuring. That has never been seen before. The Cavaliers, my second favorite show, used body motions to convey yes mechanical movement. Thematic Character have been conveyed through body motions before and most of them were in Cadet shows (See 1987, 1989, 1996. 2005). The Cavaliers just exaggerated upon this concept for a few more instances. So what they did wasn't really introducing anything new. It was effective, but not really anything that hasn't been seen before.

Slow Adam got me thinking on this one. We all've got those times where people want to show a non-Drum Corps person what DCI is all about. And you want to visually and musically show them the difference by popping in a DVD. What Show do you make them watch that represents what you think drum corps is. For you this show's got the total package and will definitely impress any new comer into DCI. For me it's 2000 Cadets, We are the Future.

The Cadets – You heard it kids. This is the talk of 2006, but I recently found out the talk was for a reason that I cared very little for. Narration, singing etc… that’s all great and dandy or despised by some but… the bare fact is narration and singing isn’t new in 2006, so I don’t get what the concentrated attention was for these cats. Alright, not my favorite show of the pool but the design certainly has its merits. What design you say? This is the first show that utilized multiple (mostly dual) staging points simultaneously. Clarification you say? I mean that an audience member (or judge) can look left and find a focus of attention and look right to find a completely different stage. The show was one, but it’s as though there were two stages set. I’m placing a lot of bets that Hopkins got talked to about this very unique approach to the show. Without the singing and narration I certainly think this was another step in innovation. Another aspect that I found incredibly frustrating was simply trying to look at the show from an effect stand point. This has much to do with the staging mentioned above. To get to the point, this show was a sensory overload. Those backdrops, the props, the door, the ridiculous drum and brass book, the crazy amount of color in the guard, the uniforms backs, it was almost too much to swallow. When one looks at the entire picture, this has to be considered one of the most colorful shows ever fielded. All colors of the rainbow were very well lit. This show was pretty amazing to see from the high cam, while I never noticed the drill to be very effective live, everyone should definitely take a look at the high cam. Sacktig’s drill in this show has more kaleidoscopic effects than ever, a great addition to the whole fun aspect of the Alice in Wonderland Theme. Seeing the show from High Cam, I found that I actually liked the background boards in the back. When I continued to watch the next show, it seemed as though the field was… empty. Maybe it’s me, but the usual small intervals that the drill had seemed to disappear this year, the drill incorporates a lot more opened spacing, in my assumption to cover more room or something… Don’t know why the sudden switch with the intervals. Other than that the visuals are absolutely great, however I did feel that show over challenged the corps. Watching this DVD, I was under the impression that the members contained a lot of rookies. This corps definitely did not move with the same confidence in the upper bodies, feet, and direction changes went. I must point out that the Cadets are very bold for having light colored pants and stripes, but when the corps does not execute everything to their prestige, the uniform can only bring them down. Having said that, the forms were very well done, but it just seemed as though many times the momentum of the direction change took complete control of their upper bodies. Thus, the bodies seemed to waver in a form with rotations or any sharp direction moves. This was very uncharacteristic of their visual program. Moving on to the guard, I knew this wasn’t any where near 2005’s superb color guard execution, but I really did not see how they ended up in the spot they did. How many years has it been since they dropped out of the top 3 in color guard? Whew must be rough. However, after I watched it, I can come to one final reason the guard would spin at their level. Again, this guard was very inexperienced or came from multiple backgrounds. There were quite a few discrepancies with the feet that would cause a few lapses in the flow of the work. The catches were great, very uniform and solid, but I felt that most of the catches included some minor weaknesses in posture that would cost them a few potential points of merit. Though it was not impressively executed, the guard certainly in my opinion had some of the hardest work around. These kids had quite a book to spin. Check out the high cam compared to any other corps around and it looks like the guard would eventually have carpal tunnel syndrome. Wow what a book. I also give props to whoever could stand on those titled tables. Some Crazy… Stuff. Now on to what most people expect of the Cadets. Their percussion section… In terms of writing, this book doesn’t disappoint from their note packed program from 2005, but like the guard, the execution wasn’t there. Now most people would immediately blame the drumline for their fault of the scores, because we ethnocentric beings consider that the percussion section. Hate to point the fingers, but I wasn’t a big fan of the pit. Now the writing and everything is fantastic, but I felt that the pit really staled off this year. There were a few momentary flams for fast material that definitely could have been cleaned up. Apart from that I think the drumline was great, not one of the best, but definitely was the better part in terms of execution. Great uniform attacks, stick height seemed proficient as well. All around, good approach. Besides that I, like the crowd, love the percussion feature in the middle. I will say this day in and day out. The Cadets’ brassline gets a standing ovation from me every single day. Regardless of their score, execution, writing whatever. These guys do not park and play. You’ve probably heard it a million times. The hardest thing in drum corps isn’t to march or to play, but to do both at the same time. Any year you give me the Cadets, they do not stop marching to play their hard lick or what have you. No matter how hard the horn book or drill, these guys are always marching and playing. I feel that this aspect is very often over looked when people talk about their hornline. So what, they don’t have the best tone or control of the century, but they certainly don’t water down a hard horn and visual package. Sorry Saucedo, I think Jay Bocook really shines on his original compositions. What amazing writing that explores a lot of material from long drawn sustains and a good deal of runs. Very much expected of his writing, this brass book does not disappoint, this guys probably played the most notes out of the top 12, great mellophones writing. Gino must constantly hash on these kids for finger dexterity. Bravo. The weaknesses in brass execution for me seemed to be just control in general. Sustained chords would be unbalanced quite often. I also heard a bit of feet through the package, it was as though these guys played the show exhaustedly. Overall, I avoided talking about narration and singing, I did love the ballad for one. I think at times it tops Ave Maria, from Phantom Regiment because of the minor chords placed here and there. I was actually quite surprised that these guys actually got a great deal of applause after the ballad and after the drum feature. So it wasn’t universally hated! In conclusion, I thought this show was extremely hard but the talent level of the corps just couldn’t catch up with this program. And oh yeah, I LOVE THE NEW ENDING of the remixed zone end. AWESOME.

Tuscan Chicken with the Broccoli and Cheddar Soup is where the party's at. I voted eenie meenie miney mo and got phantom regiment.

Wanna point out some of the fun stuff DCI has had over the years. And fun I mean you watch a certain section of a show and it's like "yeah that's pretty cool" Doesn't have to be something overly difficult or even in depth the design. note this isn't list cool drill that are effective. I mean things that are like hey you didn't have to have that in the show but it gets ya a darn good amount of claps Examples: 1992 Velvet Knights - Jumping Ripple with the Color Change 1992 Velvet Knights - the Shark! 1996 Cadets - Beef! 1997 Madison Scouts - Drunk pirate pushing the other one away and catching his rifle 1999 Madison Scouts - Guard plays a trumpet (not really) and Horn Member Tosses Rifle 2000 Cadets - Tenor Feature 2000 Cadets - Play Each Other's Horn Thing 2002 Cavaliers - Fight Club 2005 Cadets - Twisted Nerve Being Whistled!!!! 2005 Cadets - Drumspeak, pretty nifty and well done 2006 Cavaliers - Bending Box 2006 Cavaliers - Malfunctioning Robot little thing with the trumpet feature, Crowd Love this one. 2006 Cadets - Snare catching the tossed stick and playing the last note of the ripple. Crowd loved it.

You push the envelope by doing something new. Singing and Narration were both done in 2004 before the Cadets did it. So putting singing and narration in 2006, doesn't do much since it's already done before. Multiple and Simultaneous Staging Points from beginning to end has never been touched upon. That's where innovation as in, something new, was placed. I place bets that critiques after shows often had tons of comments on this with the GE judges.

AH so hard. The Cadets? The Cavaliers? Phantom Regiment? Santa Clara Vanguard? This should be like Panera. At least a you pick two.

*rolling on the floor* i've never ever laughed this hard before

HA haha. WHAT A PUN..... WHAT A PUN! No hard feelings to anyone are we agreed then? Don't want this to turn into DCP jerry springer. Haha

Incorrect sir 5 of 7 titles needs no explanation. Why do you have to defend a record like that is what I'm getting at. Don't use words like defense, cus this isn't about defense. A gold medal or a caption title is defense enough. You don't see BradrickSCV89 saying everyone else sucks because his corps broke the record score do you? All he needs to put in his sig is SCV 89 and a respect is already placed. If you're great, that's awesome! But no one cares if you have to make sure that everyone else knows that you great! A person who spins James Logan with their 9 consecutive titles can walk into a room just to impress. Once that person's mouth starts opening and talking about accomplishments and shoving 9 consecutive titles and a haughty tone like that will get them nothing. A Winner who is Humble is most appreciated in anything you do. PhantomR, don't think like this for college applications.

Gotta be kiddin me. Our relationship.. through! That may be your intention but 99% of the people will interpret that incorrectly. You sound really cocky.

<**> Don't put down other people's drill. <**>

My favorite off the field block ever. Simply a shnazzy awesome fun show to watch.

Then that is a good assertion of the future. In my opinion, multiple and simulatenous staging points isn't that absurd of a concept. It's new, yet very well done. Plus, the one thing that I enjoyed from that show was the remix of the Zone ending.

Well since YEA in the last few years has skyrocketed over BOA as the largest band circuit, I wouldn't doubt that they are the leading financial group in the marching world. These guys are spanning from the north east, to the mid atlantic, now a new office in Texas. High quality venues, a large circuit, cheap prices compared to other organizations makes me thing that YEA is the future of the marching activity.

2006 Cadets pushed the envelope. Whether it was successful or not wasn't in my post because of logical reason. That reason is... none of us have seen 07+ shows!

uh oh.. misinterpretations...ideas running amuck... drama! --- 2007 The Real World: DCP.

Okay, this is an attack right there. You're stating that this show unsuccessfully tried to push the envelope when you haven't seen 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 repretoires. Back in the 1980s, people at times stated that What Garfield was doing wasn't drum corps. What they did brought the activity into a whole new realm. Same thing's happening in 2006. Maybe it's a different reaction, but eitherway they're making change and attention. I did not enjoy 2006 Cadets, but maybe you should try to take a look at that show. I'm sure you know I'm a fan of analyzing the design of shows past my personal enjoyment for it. If I asked you what the 2006 Cadets did to push the envelope, and the first few words that you state are "singing, amplification, narration". I'll say: Wrong Drum Corps in 2004 pioneered these things even before The Cadets did. So Cadets really didn't do anything new??? So were they even trying to push the envelope or rehash things that have already been done? So, how did they push the envelope? I'll give you a hint. Watch the high cam, and tell me how many areas of focus can you devote your attention to simultaneously? Find me a show pre 2006 that utilized multiple and simultaneous staging points to a degree that 2006 Cadets did, and you'll notice what I'm talking about. That is pushing the envelope. Whether you liked that show or not, you are setting yourself up for failure if you assumed that 2006 Cadets tried to push the envelope with a singer and narration. That's just the tip of a massive iceberg my friend, look beneath the surface which annoyed so many people. The design of that show is very unique. Not my favorite, but it is very very very unique. Personally, I wouldn't be suprised if another corps messed around with that idea of multiple and simultaenous staging without singing or narration.

I see where you're going at but you're on a different topic. Crowd Favorability vs. Attention are quite different. Attention can be either positive or negative, while Crowd Favorability only measures how much the audience responds to positive aspects. I said that the Cadets' show had the most attention, not the most love. Cadets' show? Maybe not towards the end, but there was certainly a good deal crowd reaction/cheering after some of the percussion feature and the release at the end of the ballad. There's no such thing as absolute hatred towards something, absolute dominance, definite love, a sole method to tuning, absolute correct technique, only one true approach to playing, the best method of marching, the absolute only most simplest whatever... etc... This activity is not about one corps, one technique, one section, one region, one event, one person Yes, then that means 2006 Cadets wasn't absolutely disliked by all. Grab out your DVD's folks, check out the good amount of cheering in 2006 Cadets. Just because it wasn't at the end doesn't mean people didn't clap and cheer somewhere from beginning to end.

I think you're putting yourself in your own syllogism here. You realize if the Cavaliers win another title, the fun is going to be guessing next year's finals placement is Who Gets Silver? Put in another perspective, once the Cavies overtook BD, it got predictable. If it's anything I see for, "Next year's finals placement", Cavaliers probably most frequently placed with a gold medal. Not to put any corps down, but isn't this is the 5th title in 7 years? If the Cavies win next year, I guarantee that the attention will shift to whatever is happening in the bottom. Say in 20 years the Cavaliers win 19 times, DCP will be flooded about that one corps that broke the streak. Is winning another title that much of a difference? Yes it will be a big deal, once that streak is ended. The Cavaliers' dynasty will be much more appreciated whenever the dynasty ends. Makes it seem legendary posthumously. I just want to put in perspective that the Cavaliers aren't getting anywhere near the attention of the extremely disliked Cadet show. Had Blue Devils won again instead, the attention would still be at the Cadets. Positive or Negative, we're measuring a value of magnitude of something different. Loving that corps is great and all, I loved their show this year, but try not to skew everything around.

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I'm involved in 4 sports and I can safely say that working out makes spring training unbelievably beneficial on yourside. The three things for a sexy six pack, nice @ $ $, and guns for holdin them dmn euphoniums: -Go to the gym for one hour a day. -Eat and Drink Appropriately. Gym Routine; 1) Stretch You do nothing if you don't open the myosin in those muscles to allow oxygen to better allow your protein actin to rush blood to developing areas. This also decreases your pain with sores with introducing yourself to the gym. Not stretching increases your chance of fatigue as less surface area of your muscle fibers can absorb oxygen. If you take biology you'll know that the more oxygen you expose to worked areas will cause less sores. Sores are caused from low oxygen absorption rate, your body will begin to use carbon dioxide. Through fermentation, you'll create lactic acid which will cause sores to appear. 2) Run If you have some weight on your body, running is the fastest method to lose that weight. If you have a lot of weight and would like to minimize it, run and eat less than your usual diet, but do not decrease your protein intake. Decreasing your protein intake does not slow your muscle development, and you need that muscle for stamina. Losing weight may give you loose skin, the best method to lessen this effect is drinking a lot of water as well as applying Vitamin E 100,000 UIS concentration on. 3) Abdominal Work Abdominal Work and Exercises greatly benefit upper body control. 6 packs are a good thing, keg's are not. Make yourself look good in the uniform and for all the single ladies during rehearsals. These guys certainly aid your stamina in terms of movement. You keep hearing them say move from the center of the body? Yeah this is the area you want to focus on. Some excercises that seem to work: Pilates (very relaxing) and Just regular crunches. I recommend this website for those who really want a fast as in 8 minute method to great abdominals. (The efficiency of this workout is compensated for its difficulty, but nonetheless the results are fast). Abdominal Exercises - 8 minute Abs 4) Calf Muscles For you straightleggers out there this can certainly benefit your back up techniques. When you're standing around, try balancing yourself on your platforms. Definitely try some stair masters out there to aid to this. 5) Milk. Milk. Milk. Milk. Milk. Milk. Milk. Protein. Milk, you work out and you don't have this filled in your diet, you are going to be quite dissappointed in your results. For those with low knee integrity or who have had lower body injuries before: Swim. Swim. Swim. Swim. You'll be 20 times less exhausted after run thru's compared to everyone else. Running is quite bad for your knees, and you definitely don't want to wear them thinner at corps. Thus Swim.

Kinda odd that the medalist shows and the fan favorites are almost left behind to have the entire forum concentrate on one... just one... 5th place show. Whatever the Cadets are doing, they're stealing more attention away from Phantom's Rise, Bluecoat's Rise, Folding Drum Corps, Academy's first full, undefeated year, The Cavaliers reinforcement of their dominance etc... Hey you know what they say, giving art attention is giving art love. 2006 Cadets has done its job more than any drum corps this year.