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1990 Star of Indiana is one of my favorite shows ever. I'm not saying your wrong or disagreeing with you ever, but can you just watch those shows back to back? In my opinion (again this isn't to offend you or to discredit your opinion), the difficulty of that drill could only get Star so far. Those feet weren't the best things out there either, good but 1990 Cadets seemed pretty daaaarn clean. 1987 Garfield got the perfect drum score by boxed scoring, so I think they could have dropped as many sticks as they wanted and still win high percussion. ------------ woo anyway. 2000 Cavaliers - I don't think they should have tied, in my opinion I think The Cadets were doing a much harder show musically and visually. Plus I'm on the side of it as Fan Favorite.

God! What was I thinking! Blasphemy!

Yeah I can base things of DVDs, i broke the rules. What are you going to do? Take away my birthday? I was less than a year old FYI ahah.

I wasn't trying to convince anyone, it is what it is. Your interpretations and opinions are yours, I was just showing my personal respect for its design and concept. Just that I spent some time showing you things here and there that they were trying to do that I find slips most people's eyes. I'm not going to find it blasphemous that people hate this. I was just showing you my perspective, and it's all great that we have our opinions.

How did these shows offend you? Dislike is a very different thing from Hatred.

Let me guess, Cavalier fan/marcher? (not based off this) Basing off the years, it's very hard for someone not to like Championship shows, so most likely I'm assuming you love the Cavaliers due to the years you chose. Personal tastes are personal tastes. Hatred is just bad diction. Try not to offend, it's not.... Edit: I should say, when you imply words like hate that means those shows offended you...

I switched from Baritone to Mello and back, it's nothin crazy. Takes two weeks to get the lips ready if you practice a lot, then you should be set.

Saywha? Does the short bus pick you up in the morning? Just kidding.

The Canon Reprise, comes out of no where, it's a great effect. Pop it out infront of your friends, in the closer people are concentrating and their foreheads become tense and folded, all of a sudden the reprise comes, and everyone's just smiling. Thumbs up, teeth are white with a ding. It's a brady bunch moment, who doesn't love that? :P

1990 Cadets 1995 Cavaliers 1997 Blue Devils 2002 Cavaliers 2005 Cadets

Well for me I still like the end of the season Giants Stadium show after Allentown. Usually the top 3 are there, and the show up is quite big. Great stadium, nice reverb from the walls, probably some of the best lighting, it's really bright down there. Some of the best high seats too. Overall it's usually the final indicator of quarterfinals in the top ranks. That's probably why I love it so much.

1992 Cavaliers - Great effect and single integration and uniformity. Amazing drumline, but I definitely liked 1991 Better. I was not a fan of the tone of their hornline that year. Definitely could have done better. Other than that I though the musical choices weren't as exciting as the last two years, though the execution was there. Had cadets been given one more night I believe they would have gotten 2nd. 1993 Star of Indiana - I love the effect, but the dynamics in mid show are two subtle for me. Bring me on some excitement! Though I do love the end where it gets more powerful. 1995 Cadets - I like it for it's overall act and staging, but I never really did like the over done patriotic part at the end. 1998 Santa Clara Vanguard - When you try that hard to get that mysterious feel out of something, I think it doesn't become natural for an audience member. It was dark, and it introduced me to some dark parts of A. Copland, but left me a little dry. 1998 Cadets, I love the intended effect and design but as an Audience member who might just like to simply watch shows for the sole fact that it's drum corps. It doesn't do that much for me. 2000 Cavaliers - I think the showmanship was the reason why these guys topped over Cadet's domination in effect the entire season. This is a great show, the guard was doing some hard stuff. I like the opening and closing statements, but it just died in the middle. I had good drill here and there... 2001 Star of Indiana - Worst show ever, nothing happened. No movement, no effect. 2002 Cavaliers - Good general effect, though i find it hard for this show's effect to compare to 2003 Blue Devils or 2005 Cadets and 2004 Cavaliers. Didn't like the music as much. I didn't enjoy that the design team had the hardest musical parts be at holds. Could be just me but I felt that it was their most safe program in terms of difficulty. Great hornline by the way. I really really don't think the writing challenged the guard very much.

You should definitely check out 2006 Cadets. They do something very very very different in terms of design. The guard is excellently integrated, however the staging is so unfocused. Rather I should say, it's sensory overload in a way 2005 was but in a different method. A person could look to the left and find something really attention attractive and find something to the right just as much attractive. 2005 - Integration is really split up, Staging is uniform 2006 - Integration is uniform, Staging is very split The most common misinterpretation is that no continuity in integration is bad integration. Having the integration split up left and right doesn't mean that it's not integrated (in terms of DCI design standards). There are dual and complementary integrated concepts simulatenously. So therefore, not integrating something is still integrating something, it's just different because most people think integration means one, constant, continuous, morphing image, shape, or representation. Having multiple shapes, representations, formations etc... is still integration nontheless. Thus I state, Split Integration is Still Integration.

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Contradiction

No problem. Most of the comments of "worst blah blah ever" is because of misinterpretation or the idea that the creative team did not even attempt to do something as obvious or fluent as some other show that someone liked. Liking or not liking something shouldn't correlate with the best or worst all the time. I certainly didn't like the colors involved in this show, but does it bring out the effect of clarity to confusion? Yes, therefore, I loved the effect that the clashes brought out. Things ya gotta know: Something you see in a drum corps does not have a creative team of a children's story book. It's usually done on purpose.

I just find it interesting to see how the show transitions from discernable/recognizable shapes to more and more abstract concepts. Beginning: Recognizable Shape, Faucet, Umbrella, Fish etc.. Very contrasting colors. Guard is very easy to pick out. The theme is very obvious and concrete: Water Middle: Semi discernable shapes, guard is not as easy to pick out as before. Flags are not as blue, (transitioning from very blue to maroon) End: All abstract shapes, all you see is maroon, gold, white from the uniforms to flags, there's no retention of clarity, the guard is almost impossible to figure by color, and a lot of times are hidden in the confusion of hornline. The theme is very inobvious and inconcrete (abstract): Confusion, Chaos, Resolution

Though I could be completely wrong, I did write that at 4 in the morning.

--------------- Machine Ideas: Strict Motions, Mechanical Ideas, Effect: Mostly percussional, conveyer belts in the drill, Drumline did the robot, Pit makes mechanical sounds, the girl carries with her a construction hat and hammer There is no question musically and visually that this show brings out the name of the title, machine. From Conveyer belts to Robotic dance and Mechanical Drum Features, to sounds of the Pit, this part of the show does a great job of showing a factory. However notice that guard becomes harder to discern from the players. They have no weapons, there is still some continuity, but the whites of the guard at times become a little lost with the Maroon and White and Gold. Viewing the high cam, it might take a little longer to see what and where the guard is up to. --------------- Vertigo Ideas: Chaos, Anger, Confusion, Resolution Effect: Complete clash in colors, No discernable shapes, High tempo with a lot of resolution from "free form"/chaotic drill in a short of amount of time. All the different forms of the girl are brought in. The closer does a great job of showing chaos. The guard carries with them white weapons, and flags that contain brown, reddish, white colors. The flags resemble a pressed out Cadet uniform, it's actual color and arrangment of them. For the high cam viewer, the colors of the flags and the uniforms make it incredibly confusing to pick the two out. The closer is wrought with mini-drill, The guard is split up into four groupsr, interweaving between the minidrill of the hornline and percussion. In total there are about 10 to 8 groups of 10-12 members, where each group does its own conceptualized drill. In sum, the closer gives a sense of chaos as it becomes incredibly hard to differentiate color (where it was very easy in the opener, semi easy in the ballad, and a little hard in Machine). Thus, there is sensory overload which was part of the effect of chaos. Trying to pick out specific formations and one idea, can be frustrating to anyone because of the rapid pace of the tempo, which in itself is an effect to the viewer. All 4 girls from each song is found with different costumes which add to the theme of discontinuity. To add to the idea of chaos and confusion: This song sounds like Medea but isn't. The melody at some parts definitely turned some heads as it made many say, "that sounds familiar". But the arrangment of the music makes it very hard to pick it out exactly after the first watch. Resolution of the show is brought in as the hornline concentrates around the Door, the central stage of the show, The guard is distanced yet still part of the overall picture. The colors still make it hard to show a difference but the fact that the entire guard now holds flags, a dual tone of clarity and confusion is brought into the final moments of the show. The hornline concentrates around the door as it creates a "key hole"/ "asterisk". The final moments of the drill resemble a "door" opening from the state of being locked. The guard is capped off in a formation that is easily discernable yet adds to the overall final picture of the show. ------------------------------------------------------ Overall, in my opinion a hefty show in terms of coordination and creativity. My favorite show to analyze.

Integration of the Guard? In terms of effect, check out the development from beginning to end. ------------ Opener Liquid Ideas: water, elegant, flowing, fluent, (basing off the name) Effect: Squeezing Motions, Drill of Trickling Faucet, A sideways Waterfall, A fish with water around it (blue flags), Umbrella With rain around it (blue flags), Rippled/Fugue of Color work near the Squeezing Block In terms of effect, visually it was blatantly obvious it was based around a water-theme. Musically, there were fugues, which resemble ripples in the water, rainsticks add to the water-theme. There was not a lot of sudden halts and large notes, the theme of flowing continuity is brought out by every field member. There was never any sudden development, it was always a raise of dynamic. The girl wears a raincoat and carries with her an umbrella which evokes more of the effect of water, rain, etc... The blue flags were very discordant here, it basically screams a visual difference between the Maroon and Gold of the Players' uniforms and the Blue of the Guard. It's quite easy to seperate the two. Because of this difference in color, the guard's drill is not meshed with the rest of the field members. --------------- Dancer in the Dark Ideas: Ballad with building tension, clarity, dynamic, emotion. Effect: Building clarity with the drill from free form to a discernable shape, Slightly blue flags, Symmetrical Reflected Guard Work, the girl carries a princess hat. The ballad certainly gets the point across with the build of tension and formation of resolution with the music starting quietly into a resolute sound. Drill wise, there were a lot free forms that would develop into a clear shape, giving a parellel to the music. The ideas of two things going at the same time was brought out by the symmetrical guardwork in the ballad. * The flags in this were blue like in the ballad, but not as blue, from a distance there was a hint of maroon and red, which didn't make it as easy to visually seperate the hornline members and the guard. The drill had two concepts at the same time, you can square off two different concepts of drill on the left and right side. For example the ballad hit set, (block on the left, arcs on the right). A minor figure but effect nontheless the girl is dancing while wearing a princess hat, she seems lost kind of evoking someone who would be if they were "dancing in the dark". *One of the most impressive drill writing yet, anyone can have the guard spin reflected work by having one half spin the same material facing backwards. But to have the guard work written completely reflected is a very tedious job to write as well as to clean. Very very impressive.

Cadets with the Giants Stadium one near the end of season. Almost a regional in a sense, often with Blue Devils, Cavaliers

Well you can't say they weren't playing. Check out some of that Quad stuff.

i knew that i swear! haha shhhhh... edit button

i love the cavaliers drill and everything maybe it's me (and this isn't meant to offend anyone) but i think out of the usual championship corps out there, they don't seem to show off their hornline's playing abilities on the move as much. i watch frameworks and all the exposed horn parts are almost always on a hold, and the horns are very often down when moving at fast tempos.