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There is a big difference between the $400-500 price of a nice used baritone bugle from the $1215 price to have a new one built for you. Most groups that would still be playing bugles would not be able to afford new horns.

Do you have any Mellos left?

I guess Cadence is not that strange of a name for girls. My best friends wife is named Cadence.

Then they don't air it anymore, which was JUST announced on www.dci.org http://www.dci.org/news/view.cfm?news_id=9...95-fc05eed6d41e

Man those pictures of the 3 horns could have come from our Corps. We have the same basic setup, but we have 2 Super Mags, a K-90 (still just 2 valve) and 2 smaller 2 valves (we only use one of these as we only have 4 players.) Since I am not a Contra player I can't comment too much on long parades, but those Super Mags are HEAVY! They have an awesome sound, very full. Definitely a better sound then our small 2 Valvers. Best way to find out about the condition of the Pioneer horns is too call them. They will be in the best position to tell you what the horns are like now. If we had the money we would be buying more Super Mags but we just don't have that kind of cash right now.

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Just add some for High Country Brass in Colorado.

I am not so sure about that. When he did his reality show "Tommy Lee goes to college" He tried to march in the marching band. They tried to put him on tenors. He was horrible at it, and couldn't even walk and play let alone march.

Yep, exactly the point I was trying to make.

The biggest problem for a touring corps is that no one has parts available right away for any bugles. That is just the fact of the demand. It doesn't make sense for the mobile brass shop guys to carry bugle parts for 1 or 2 corps when the rest all use different types of horns. It did take me a long time to get some parts for my Kanstul, but that wasn't a major issue for me because I wasn't having to use the instrument all the time. (It may have just been a fluke or maybe my repair tech was slow on getting the parts ordered. I never meant to say the Kanstul was bad or anything.) I happen to love my Kanstul Bugle Euphs. Downtime like that really hurts on tour. (The Pioneer insider even said that this has been an issue. Not sure what brand it was issue with.) The idea was brought up in an earlier post that maybe the Alumni and friends could have helped cover the extra costs of buying bugles again. How much (if any) is there a difference in price between bugles and Bb's? I doubt that it would have much to do with the decision to go to Bb. Did a little research on prices of Bb. Here is what I found on Woodwind Brasswind, and musicians friend (Only places I could find retail prices of Bb marching brass.) Kanstul Model 200 5/4 Marching Tuba $5060 (at www.wwbw.com) Price is much cheaper than either Kanstul Contra Bugles. Kanstul Coliseum Marching Bb Trumpet $930 (also at www.wwbw.com) That one is more expensive than either Soprano Bugle. King Ultimate Brass marching French Horn in F Model 1122 $1620 (at www.wwbw.com) Much more expensive than a Kanstul French Horn Bugle. (I couldn't prices for any Kanstul marching Bb version of these.) King Ultimate Brass marching Baritone Bb $1650 ( at www.wwbw.com) Again much more expensive than a knastul bugle. Yamaha 301MS marching Baritone Bb $1899 (at www.musiciansfriend.com) Same as the bari and a Yamaha 202MS Marching Euphonium $1999 (at www.musiansfriend.com) Slightly less than a Kanstul Bugle. It looks like one set being way more than the other is not really the issue. I guess price would not really be the deciding factor in the equation then.

While Kanstul is still offering bugles they are custom orders only. I know from experience (I own 2 kanstul bugles one newer and one older.) that parts are still a problem. Kanstul does not always stock all the parts, and forget about getting parts on the road. Even for smaller parts it may take weeks or even months to get them. For them to stay competitive this is the right choice. I personally can't wait to see the new Pioneer next year. I am glad they were able to make this large purchase. BTW- Did any of the bugles survive in playable condition? I am sure there are plenty of senior corps' (mine included) that would be interested in purchasing some of the bugles.

I don't play on a nylon piece, but I do have a 3 piece custom set from Doug Elliot that includes a Lexan rim. Lexan is more dense than nylon or regular plastic so it is much closer to playing on a metal rim but it almost never changes temperature cold or hot. I also find that this rim does not cause as much fatigue when playing for long periods of time. I really love this setup, and because you can get it in just about any sizes you need it can be very versatile. Because it is only the rim that is Lexan I think it makes for a much better playing piece. I have had friends that used the cheap plastic or nylon pieces when it was really cold. They said that while it was better to play because it wasn't frozen it felt really cheap and flimsy. If you need a nice setup for outdoor in the winter check out www.dougelliotmouthpieces.com he only does trombone/baritone and tuba pieces though. (sorry if this sounded like an add for Doug Elliot. I am just a big fan of these.)

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Kinda funny how others seem to know more about the status of our show than members of the corps do. I would love to go to DCA in '08. But a trip to Texas would be cool if we can't make it all the way to DCA. Going to MN would rock, since I am from there. Had some friends that marched in Govies in the past. I used to March with MBI, Top Chops (back before it was chops inc. senior corps, back in 96-97) and Brassworks (not a drum corps.) HCB Euph

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Just to clarify. Swinging Pete was Madison's second song in their 98 show. Dave HCB Euph 2007