Carl taught St.Mary's Blue Angels color guard, Woodside, Queens , where Johnny Guarino and Jack Meehan taught the horns. If I recall, it was 65-66? Jack took a few of us to watch them all practice with Sky at Randalls Island where we first saw the New York (Bronx) Kingsmen rehearse before Sky. That started the exodus from St. Marys to the Kingsmen later that year .(7 or 8 of us went) .