As someone who has followed the surf all winter I as I did last year, I believe they are much farther ahead musically than they were last year. Are they dirty? Absoutely! Can they clean it up and compete with the higher teir corps? Again, absolutely! I love watching their show as these kids are truly kids. Check the average age of all the world class drum corps and see where Surf falls in at, you might be surpised at what you find out. As a member and supporter of the surf family I judge the sucess of their performance by the crowd, not the score.