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I would like to know this too. Not as fun without scores.

The Blue Devils will win again. Probably by at least a point.

5 year ban on repertoires. If you or someone else played that piece of music in the last 5 years, you can't use it. This rule would cut down on the derivative nature of drum corps and keep corps from playing it safe every #### year with sequelitis. Thank you.

I would suggest being less dogmatic about synths. The issue for me is quality rather than pure usage. Corps really just need to co-produce with a decent DJ/producer and I think the product will be much higher quality than what we see now.

2002 Cavies was the pinnacle of visual design and musical design. Have you guys heard the Music GE judge tape on youtube? He basically says straight up that it's the best there's been (at that point in time).

I'm tired of corps doing the same shows over and over again. People like sequels way too much. What's wrong with some originality? Everyone designs their shows for the score and forgets everything else. So anytime new music does enter the drum corps scene, it's so formulaic, it almost immediately sounds boring. It's MUSIC!!! Why the **** does drum corps always sound like drum corps?

If half of DCI becomes woodwinds, the demand for spots in the corps goes up. More kids would want to march, simply because they are now able to. With the extra participants, more corps can be formed or the max number of people in the corps can be raised. Regardless, show attendance increases. With an increase in ticket demand, ticket prices rise, earning more income for the corps.

We're getting woodwinds eventually, be it 5 years from now or 25. This process takes time but eventually the opinions that matter will slowly change and the rule will get passed. Now, I'm hoping for electronics reform definitely within the next five years to allow for loops and samples. Then.... things get wild.

Stop talking about the numbers and memorize this: NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP. Just because X happened in Y year doesn't mean that it's any more likely to happen ever again.

I like the numbered responses :) 1. What about the parents ready to shell out lots of dough to see their kid march? And the corps that would happily take that money if they were allowed to let WWs in the corps? Are you saying that upon the legalization of WWs in drum corps, no one would use them? 2. "Most"? First of all, you're a biased observer. Maybe the kids who really wanted the two to be more similar didn't speak out? Word of mouth doesn't count as statistics unless polls are done scientifically. My point is that you don't really "know", you're just basing your beliefs on anecdotal evidence. 3. Whether or not band kids think change is needed has nothing to do with their likelihood of marching if WWs were legalized.

Simply because you can't think of any ways to innovate drum corps further, doesn't mean that it has reached its max. Progress and innovation should never stop. Everyone else caught up to the Cavaliers and now their brand of design is run of the mill. The Cavaliers need to bring in some people who aren't afraid to do something that will shock everyone and make it happen. That, or they can keep getting "out-arted" by BD.

1. As far as no one wanting that "expensive headache", I can almost guarantee you that is false. 2. Anecdotal evidence - if you go ask a WW player and he or she says "no, I don't want drum corps to be like marching band," that doesn't mean that anyone else agrees.

This guy gets it.

It doesn't allow woodwinds. That's kind of what we're talking about here.

See, you're going back to field logistics, which is not really a problem. Designers can figure how to implement anything into a show if they need to. Furthermore, you're comparing different forms of brass instruments. Woodwinds are a whole different class of instrument altogether and would drastically change the sound in the show. And you kind of hurt your argument when you admit that trombones (I'm guessing your preferred instrument) could be added, but the others cannot for arbitrary reasons.

You're right, they're not really half of the music spectrum. I should have said half of the bandroom. We already have computer corps. Just look for the "DJ" in the pit.

1. Common ground is stronger if you (the woodwind-playing marcher) could actually participate in the activity. Opening DCI to WWs would create a huge new group of alumni who have only ever known DCI as WW-friendly. 2. You can't say that marching band will "never' be mainstream. You simply don't know. I do know that the ESPN broadcasts of Finals received higher ratings than NHL games. 3. Just because you know people of a variety of ages that agree with your stance doesn't mean that it is actually what's best for DCI.

Huge generalization, and not one that I've actually observed. Gung ho marching programs are loaded with woodwind players and I wouldn't be surprised if many would jump at the chance to participate in the highest level of marching arts.

But they ARE the same thing. You go out on the field, march your show for 11 or 12 minutes, then the judges give you your scores. The differences between the two are merely technical. If the current model is too restrictive, then adding woodwinds would be the smart move to truly broaden the appeal of DCI to the other half of the music spectrum.

You're right, it was a generalization. I simply don't like how they use electronics, but I think the rules regarding electronics should be relaxed drastically and THEN we'll see some wild and entertaining show designs.

Drum corps isn't very unique at all. In fact, drum corps and marching band are almost the same thing. The woodwind debate simply comes down to personal preference and really not a lot beyond that. People fighting for change and people fighting against it are two sides of the same coin. The motives behind their opinions are often the same: I want things to be the way I like. We should switch that argument to what would be the best for DCI, and I don't think remaining a niche activity is the way to go. Opening it up to a wider audience is usually a great way to gain more customers. This is the principle behind free trade. Reduce barriers to reach more customers.

I was talking about innovation, which has gone nowhere for the Cavies in the last few years. Also, I like electronic music (along with many other genres), but the use of electronics in drum corps is pretty gimmicky and doesn't add much to the show. Corps use electronics just because they can, not because they want to use them to create something that has never been done before.

No, it's not.

You THINK you know, but it's actually a pretty varied genre. There's a pretty big different between James Blake and Skrillex, yet they're both considered "dubstep". If you don't believe me, go do some reading on Pitchfork.

So would you agree that eventually most or all rules regarding creative limits will be removed, whether that be in 5 years or 25?