Oswego, IL- Festival of Brass Drum Corps Show

[Machiavelli]

It's like comparing the daily point spread between Pacific Crest and Blue Devils. It doesn't matter because they are not in the same competition bracket.

It does if a corps is to climb in the final rankings. It took an 85.5 to get into Finals last year. Madison was 14.9 behind Cavies (3rd place) on Semi-Finals Friday. To have made Finals they would need to have closed the gap to 11 points.

If BD and Cavies are the standard this year, and we can assume the 1st to 12th spread will be X, corps must reach a score within X and surpass the competitors ahead of them to make the final show.

[soccerguy315]

rarely on here people get confused when open class corps score higher than world class corps, but then it is explained that their scores cannot be compared b/c they are judged on different sheets.

Now we are saying that two world class scores cannot be compared, even though they are on the same sheets? is that not exactly what the score is supposed to show, the difference between two corps?

where is the line drawn in the brackets? Are Colts in the same bracket as Crown? Are Blue Devils in the same bracket as Boston? Is the spread at finals from #1 to #4 accurate, and #4 to #8 accurate, and #8 to #12 accurate, but #1 to #12 not accurate?

[profhill]

It does if a corps is to climb in the final rankings. It took an 85.5 to get into Finals last year. Madison was 14.9 behind Cavies (3rd place) on Semi-Finals Friday. To have made Finals they would need to have closed the gap to 11 points.

If BD and Cavies are the standard this year, and we can assume the 1st to 12th spread will be X, corps must reach a score within X and surpass the competitors ahead of them to make the final show.

There is no set score you have to achieve finals. All you have to do is be better than about 10 other groups. So as long as you have the 12th highest score you're in. You could score a 22, and still make finals as long as there are only 11 groups who score higher.

Since it is clear The Scouts are not in the same neighborhood as The Cavaliers, and Phantom (2 groups they have competed against this year) the spread is not determinate in making finals. What's more important is the ranking of the near finals neighborhood (Scouts, Bluestars, Glassmen, The Acedemy, and others)

[profhill]

rarely on here people get confused when open class corps score higher than world class corps, but then it is explained that their scores cannot be compared b/c they are judged on different sheets.

Now we are saying that two world class scores cannot be compared, even though they are on the same sheets? is that not exactly what the score is supposed to show, the difference between two corps?

where is the line drawn in the brackets? Are Colts in the same bracket as Crown? Are Blue Devils in the same bracket as Boston? Is the spread at finals from #1 to #4 accurate, and #4 to #8 accurate, and #8 to #12 accurate, but #1 to #12 not accurate?

Two world class scores can be compared, however, in situations where the groups are not in the same neighborhood the distance between the scores can be a little misleading. The difference between a group being 10 points behind and 12 points behind can easily be influenced by other factors. Maybe the lower score was influenced by different groups in that neighborhood, or the higher score being a little higher because of different groups in their neighborhood.

The neighborhoods are only determined by what is seen by the judges. Identify neighborhoods by relative closeness in score.

Last year, 4-7 place were a neighborhood. The scores were close and clearly any of those corps could have finished in any of those places.

However, truely to determine a neighborhood you need to look at the recap and the subcaption spreads since that it what the judge uses to show his/her preceptions.

[Machiavelli]

There is no set score you have to achieve finals. All you have to do is be better than about 10 other groups. So as long as you have the 12th highest score you're in. You could score a 22, and still make finals as long as there are only 11 groups who score higher.

Since it is clear The Scouts are not in the same neighborhood as The Cavaliers, and Phantom (2 groups they have competed against this year) the spread is not determinate in making finals. What's more important is the ranking of the near finals neighborhood (Scouts, Bluestars, Glassmen, The Acedemy, and others)

No argument from me. I'm merely pointing out that there must be traction in closing the gap, which would mean passing corps ahead of them (Madison or anyone else for that matter).

I don't anticipate a 15 point spread from 1 - 12 on Semi-Final Friday based on historical numbers. The same show I referenced earlier had Glassmen, Madison, and Cavies.

Glassmen and Madison were separated by 4.9 points in Decatur and 5.175 at Semis.

Glassmen and Cavies were separated by 11.1 points in Decatur and 9.75 at Semis.

Constants equal no change in placement. Closing the gap means that you should pass competitors and advance in the rankings.

For Madison to make finals, they need to beat three of the corps that beat them last year. Getting closer to the top scorers seems to be the most effective way to do that.

Again, I want to see Madison back in Finals. I hope they start closing in on people tonight and continue for the next 6 weeks.

[WOOHOO]

It does if a corps is to climb in the final rankings. It took an 85.5 to get into Finals last year. Madison was 14.9 behind Cavies (3rd place) on Semi-Finals Friday. To have made Finals they would need to have closed the gap to 11 points.

If BD and Cavies are the standard this year, and we can assume the 1st to 12th spread will be X, corps must reach a score within X and surpass the competitors ahead of them to make the final show.

If the concern is making finals, then the scores should be compared to the surrounding corps, like a 2 point spread last night between a perennial fence corps like Spirit. It really doesn't matter if Madison is 12 or 14 points behind Cavies if they can't beat Spirit.