87 Spirit beats 87 Cadets?

[torn8o]

I found this very interesting...

Sunday June 28, 1987

West Chester PA DCE

Position Corps Score

1 Spirit of Atlanta 77.000

2 Garfield Cadets 74.900

3 Suncoast Sound 70.300

4 Dutch Boy 63.400

5 Florida Wave 62.200

6 Crossmen 53.600

7 Malden Diplomats 47.200

8 St. Francis Xavier Sancians 39.800

How often can you find a year where somewhere during the course of a season the 10th place corps beats the 1st place corps? Let alone by a spread like that! Isn't that strange? Is it just me, or were these types of fluxuations more common in years past than today?

[84BDsop]

Eh...back in the day Cadets typically started slow...unlike BD and current cavies, who come out like gangbusters.

[VKMello84]

Here is an interesting one:

Saturday July 30, 1983

1 Garfield Cadets 84.900

2 Blue Devils 82.750

3 Santa Clara Vanguard 82.050

4 Phantom Regiment 75.550

5 Madison Scouts 75.100

6 Spirit of Atlanta 74.100

7 Suncoast Sound 72.150

8 27th Lancers 69.750

9 Geneseo Knights 68.850

10 Freelancers 68.750

11 Cavaliers 67.150

12 Sky Ryders 67.050

Friday August 19, 1983

1 Santa Clara Vanguard 91.900

2 Blue Devils 91.150

2 Garfield Cadets 91.150

4 Phantom Regiment 88.450

5 Suncoast Sound 84.800

6 Madison Scouts 83.900

7 Spirit of Atlanta 83.450

8 Freelancers 81.950

9 27th Lancers 80.500

10 Cavaliers 80.300

11 Bridgemen 79.550

12 Sky Ryders 78.700

13 Crossmen 78.600

14 Alliance (MA) 77.100

15 Troopers 76.850

16 Geneseo Knights 73.950

Edited May 27, 2007 by VKMello84

[GMichael1230]

1987 Spirit is a strange situation indeed. They started out on fire, ready to go right out of the gate and were really solid in all areas. Garfield had a slow start and altered their show many times......come finals week, nobody expected Spirit to be so low in the rankings. 6th - 10th were seperated by about a point or so, with ties and when the dust settled, it was suprising that they were the ones in tenth, winning high guard.

I had the opportunity to see them alot that year and they had such a solid, crowd pleasing show. We were shocked they came in so low.

Madison Scouts, Star of Indiana, Velvet Knights, Suncoast Sound, Spirit of Atlanta..could have went any way. I'm glad it finally ended as it did though !!

Odd year to say the least.

~G~

[GMichael1230]

Here is an interesting one:

Saturday July 30, 1983

1 Garfield Cadets 84.900

2 Blue Devils 82.750

3 Santa Clara Vanguard 82.050

4 Phantom Regiment 75.550

5 Madison Scouts 75.100

6 Spirit of Atlanta 74.100

7 Suncoast Sound 72.150

8 27th Lancers 69.750

9 Geneseo Knights 68.850

10 Freelancers 68.750

11 Cavaliers 67.150

12 Sky Ryders 67.050

Friday August 19, 1983

1 Santa Clara Vanguard 91.900

2 Blue Devils 91.150

2 Garfield Cadets 91.150

4 Phantom Regiment 88.450

5 Suncoast Sound 84.800

6 Madison Scouts 83.900

7 Spirit of Atlanta 83.450

8 Freelancers 81.950

9 27th Lancers 80.500

10 Cavaliers 80.300

11 Bridgemen 79.550

12 Sky Ryders 78.700

13 Crossmen 78.600

14 Alliance (MA) 77.100

15 Troopers 76.850

16 Geneseo Knights 73.950

No kidding....but you want an even bigger shocker ?? Check 1982. Knights went from a 78 to a 61 in three days. In 82, as 83, they were consistently ahead of many corps that ultimately passed them. If there is a conspiracy theory floating around DCI, this is sure one of them.

~G~

[VKMello84]

And have you ever looked at the prelims scores for 1987? It's great comedy.

1 Garfield Cadets 97.000

2 Santa Clara Vanguard 96.500

3 Phantom Regiment 95.600

4 Blue Devils 95.000

5 Cavaliers 93.900

6 Star of Indiana 90.300

7 Madison Scouts 89.400

8 Suncoast Sound 89.200

8 Velvet Knights 89.200

10 Spirit of Atlanta 89.100

11 Bluecoats 89.000

12 Sky Ryders 85.300

Either Velvet Knights or Suncoast had a one tenth penalty, I can't recall which.

[GMichael1230]

And have you ever looked at the prelims scores for 1987? It's great comedy.

1 Garfield Cadets 97.000

2 Santa Clara Vanguard 96.500

3 Phantom Regiment 95.600

4 Blue Devils 95.000

5 Cavaliers 93.900

6 Star of Indiana 90.300

7 Madison Scouts 89.400

8 Suncoast Sound 89.200

8 Velvet Knights 89.200

10 Spirit of Atlanta 89.100

11 Bluecoats 89.000

12 Sky Ryders 85.300

Either Velvet Knights or Suncoast had a one tenth penalty, I can't recall which.

LOL, exactly what I just was talking about ! Talk about confusion, excitement, intensity and incentive.

~G~

[tommytimp]

No kidding....but you want an even bigger shocker ?? Check 1982. Knights went from a 78 to a 61 in three days. In 82, as 83, they were consistently ahead of many corps that ultimately passed them. If there is a conspiracy theory floating around DCI, this is sure one of them.

~G~

I propose we make this the Major Talking Point of the summer. Check out the trajectory of our scores from the summers of 1982 and 1983. Particularly from Whitewater Pelims 83, to Finals that night, to Rockford the next night.

Bitter? Why do you ask?

And the answer is, "because they could."

[Beau R]

Spirit was close to Cadets all year until the end. In fact, if you go back and compare scores for Spirit vs. the rest of the final Top 12, Spirit was sitting in 6th place until last two or three shows.

As a Spirit 87 member, I can tell you this: we didn't like "falling" from 6th to 10th in the last week of the season. Look as the spreads between Spirit and Cadets, Blue Devils SCV, Cavaliers and Phantom from Aug 1-11, then look at what happened to the spreads at Semi Finals and Finals.

We certainly didn't get 4 or 5 points worse in the last week of the season while everyone else went up.

[VKMello84]

Spirit was close to Cadets all year until the end. In fact, if you go back and compare scores for Spirit vs. the rest of the final Top 12, Spirit was sitting in 6th place until last two or three shows.

As a Spirit 87 member, I can tell you this: we didn't like "falling" from 6th to 10th in the last week of the season. Look as the spreads between Spirit and Cadets, Blue Devils SCV, Cavaliers and Phantom from Aug 1-11, then look at what happened to the spreads at Semi Finals and Finals.

We certainly didn't get 4 or 5 points worse in the last week of the season while everyone else went up.

The same thing pretty much happened to VK in 1989. It is almost like the judges were scoring based on the prior year and then at the last chance decided to do a new evaluation.